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To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 06/07/2025 02:04

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

I read Raynor Winn's book The Salt Path and her other two books. I was looking forward to seeing the film at some point and to reading her next book. I felt sorry to read about the challenges the couple had faced, especially with regard to losing their family home and with Moth's health. Now, having read the article in today's Observer, I feel a bit stunned and am not sure what to think.

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal it was far from the truth

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Abra1t · 06/07/2025 19:00

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 18:46

Why do you think that? I think most people on this thread are shocked at what the article says. How does that link them with the person who called the journalist an ‘envious lady’?

Calling a journalist ‘this lady’
just sounded a bit strange.

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 19:00

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 18:56

That’s pretty awful if that bit was made up just for the film!

Maybe the film makers thought they needed to come across a bit more sympathetically...

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 19:03

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 19:00

Maybe the film makers thought they needed to come across a bit more sympathetically...

Yes, but still… and they actually don’t come across badly in the film. They also seemed very in love, which is one of the major plot lines of the film and always a good selling point for a film.

nomas · 06/07/2025 19:03

EveryOtherNameTaken · 06/07/2025 18:57

It's free on Audible so I'm going to listen to it then read the article.

For members?

I listened to the preview, she has an awful reading voice.

faffadoodledo · 06/07/2025 19:03

i saw Simon Armitage when he was doing his Walking Away thing around Cornwall, reading poetry for a bed for the night and a few more organised readings too. In fact I went to his reading in St Ives. Can confirm he is very un-Moth-like!
Incidentally he has a medical condition which affects his back, and described in some detail how hard he found stretches of the path (I too can confirm this!).

PullTheBricksDown · 06/07/2025 19:03

DisappointedReader · 06/07/2025 18:55

I agree that Moth/Tim doesn't look anything like Simon. It baffled me too in the book.

Also, the bit where Ray says 'oh no, he's not Simon Armitage' and then they get turfed out made me clench my fists with 'why are you being such an idiot? It's completely obvious what's happened but for heaven's sake just go along with it, eat your lasagne, get a night's sleep in a proper bed then leave!' Though I guess that would make them look more calculating than was desirable..

EsmaCannonball · 06/07/2025 19:05

WynkenDeWorde · 06/07/2025 18:45

'A stranger contacted me on Twitter with an incredible gesture, I wasn’t sure how to respond. He owned a disused farm, nestled in the Cornish hills, and asked if Moth and I would like to live there.
We agonised for months over the decision. It was yet another risk, to give up our home and to trust a stranger, but we decided to do it'

Someone posted this from the Country Living article (pages ago - but this thread has moved so fast!) - I was just going to underline that this was after they'd done the original walk and come back with nowhere to live, and so the existing home they were 'giving up' was itself a gesture from a 'kind stranger' - a flat they’d been offered in Cornwall from someone who'd ‘heard their story' and offered them a place to live. Lucky, eh….?

Yes, I'm wondering if 'Tim and Sally Walker' own these properties and are kindly letting 'Moth and Raynor Winn' stay in them? Owning property does not fit in with their desired narrative so they have to invent generous benefactors.

And if the benefactors are real, how do they feel now about lending their property to two people who may not be what they seem?

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 19:06

CelestialCandyfloss · 06/07/2025 18:47

This bit in the book perplexed me as I feel he looks nothing like Simon Armitage?! Maybe one person getting it wrong, but multiple people? Totally agree with what others are saying about the book /film glossing over the reasons they lost the farm.

Me too. Anyone who knew about SA and his walk would probably be aware of what he looks like and it ain't Moth/Tim.

Mumwithbaggage · 06/07/2025 19:06

Tiresome book, unlikeable people so I chose not to waste my time watching the film.

QuantumLevelActions · 06/07/2025 19:06

nomas · 06/07/2025 19:03

For members?

I listened to the preview, she has an awful reading voice.

I just listened to the preview and agree. I couldn't handle a whole book with that narration.

PandoraSocks · 06/07/2025 19:07

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/07/2025 17:31

Anyone else found this https://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=25803.0 its a short thread on a smallholders forum dating from 2012 (for those who don't like clicking random links).

It is started by a user called Gangani, who is pretending to be a publishing company promoting a book, and helping out a friend needing to raffle their house (there is no real explanation as to how this helps the friend as the book is not going to cost more with the additional raffle ticket than it would without!)...

It is of course Sally/Tim pretending to be a seperate entity... fizzles out quite quickly as one person who manages to download the book realises its crap!

Excellent detective skills, Widdlin!

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 19:10

faffadoodledo · 06/07/2025 19:03

i saw Simon Armitage when he was doing his Walking Away thing around Cornwall, reading poetry for a bed for the night and a few more organised readings too. In fact I went to his reading in St Ives. Can confirm he is very un-Moth-like!
Incidentally he has a medical condition which affects his back, and described in some detail how hard he found stretches of the path (I too can confirm this!).

Incidentally he has a medical condition which affects his back, and described in some detail how hard he found stretches of the path

He needs to walk more then, obviously, and he will be cured.

faffadoodledo · 06/07/2025 19:12

@AWanderingFool😂
clearly the poet laureate is a prize fool not to know this! 😂

PandoraSocks · 06/07/2025 19:12

PullTheBricksDown · 06/07/2025 18:16

Yeah, as has been said, it's not a great look to effectively say 'ah, we all knew they were grifters but we were fine with keeping quiet and taking you plebs' money anyway'.

And fine with peddling the bullshit that progressive neurological conditions can be put in reverse by taking long walks.

Publishing is a morality-free industry.

BoomerAllTheWay · 06/07/2025 19:12

The vice-president of the USA, JD Vance, did the same thing. He wrote a book and most of it was fabricated. It made him rich and famous. Couple that with the president of the USA, Trump, who was convicted of 34 felonies and a defendant in many other crimes, and I’d say the US is a felon country. MAGA supporters do not care about law and order. They want a white male driven country, the way it was ‘in the good old days’, in their eyes.

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 19:13

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 19:10

Incidentally he has a medical condition which affects his back, and described in some detail how hard he found stretches of the path

He needs to walk more then, obviously, and he will be cured.

😂😂 I would also love it if he wrote a walking memoir.

WynkenDeWorde · 06/07/2025 19:13

A very interesting biography of the mysterious 'Izzy Wyn-Thomas' on the 'about' page of that Gangani publishing website linked upthread.

Izzy Wyn-Thomas is an exciting new voice and author of our first release; How not to Dal dy Dir. An irreverent look at rural Wales and City finance, her book has been described both as 'an offbeat view of minority culture' and 'a beginners guide to asset-stripping'. Izzy, who has spent much of her life in North-West Wales, says her book grew from the idea that nothing is as it seems, and every story changes in the light of the readers viewpoint.

🤔

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 19:13

If they ever make a film about what now seems to be the real story, I nominate Martin Kemp for Moth/Tim. He looks very like him in that Country Living piece IMO.

Although it would be interesting to see JI/GA reprise their roles I suppose.

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 19:16

WynkenDeWorde · 06/07/2025 19:13

A very interesting biography of the mysterious 'Izzy Wyn-Thomas' on the 'about' page of that Gangani publishing website linked upthread.

Izzy Wyn-Thomas is an exciting new voice and author of our first release; How not to Dal dy Dir. An irreverent look at rural Wales and City finance, her book has been described both as 'an offbeat view of minority culture' and 'a beginners guide to asset-stripping'. Izzy, who has spent much of her life in North-West Wales, says her book grew from the idea that nothing is as it seems, and every story changes in the light of the readers viewpoint.

🤔

Sounds like it was written by AI! And what does ‘How not to Dal dy Dir’ even mean? Why is it half in English and half in Welsh?

CelestialCandyfloss · 06/07/2025 19:16

TwiceForLunch · 06/07/2025 09:01

I was given the book by a friend who extolled it to the skies. I found it hard going and the loss of the house totally glossed over. The PP mentioned the claim that they at the last minute found mitigating evidence but the judge would not let them present it. That never rang true for me as they were acting as litigants in person and there is more leeway given anyway for LIPs as they don't know what they are doing usually. Plus for something as serious as losing a house? That really stood out for me.

I did see the film and quite enjoyed it, but again felt frustrated by alot of it and their repeatedly stupid decisions. Camping on a beach (tides anyone?) etc.

It never convinced me tbh. As one of the consultants in the article says 'It did not pass the sniff test'.

Omg the camping on the beach...I shouted at the book when I was reading it!! WHYYY?! I mean, I'm no expert lol but I have done lots of camping and even I know that beaches / the sea has tides, and the sea is likely to come in at some point?!

NescafeAndIce · 06/07/2025 19:19

The month before we had had a full audit and the auditors had picked up nothing.

Bloody hell, @BeachPebbleWave - what's the point of them, then?!

SlightlyTooMuch · 06/07/2025 19:19

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 19:13

If they ever make a film about what now seems to be the real story, I nominate Martin Kemp for Moth/Tim. He looks very like him in that Country Living piece IMO.

Although it would be interesting to see JI/GA reprise their roles I suppose.

Good call!’he does look like him!!

On casting — entirely coincidentally, I listened to the Kermode and Mayo podcast today, when they had Jason Isaacs on talking about the film. He was so audibly genuinely enthusiastic and admiring about Moth’s courage and humility and goodness, it made me actually feel sad.

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 19:21

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 19:16

Sounds like it was written by AI! And what does ‘How not to Dal dy Dir’ even mean? Why is it half in English and half in Welsh?

I've lived in Wales. It's a bloody stupid title, incomprehensible to non Welsh speakers and annoying to those who are IMO.

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 19:21

CelestialCandyfloss · 06/07/2025 19:16

Omg the camping on the beach...I shouted at the book when I was reading it!! WHYYY?! I mean, I'm no expert lol but I have done lots of camping and even I know that beaches / the sea has tides, and the sea is likely to come in at some point?!

I was also similarly surprised at this scene was in the film! I think their characters in the film come across as gritty and stoic, but also as naive (cf the ‘bad investment’ and the beach-camping, and the whole idea to go for a 600+ mile walk when you’re at the lowest point in your life that you’ve ever been). I suppose the suggestion is also that desperation drove them to do the walk.

I remember thinking it was unflattering to portray them like that, but they had to have some ‘character flaws’, I suppose, to make them seem believable.

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