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AIBU to think my tenant might be subletting

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landladywithmissingtenant · 04/07/2025 11:58

I live in a flat in a large block (60 flats in all) I own the one I live in and one other, which I rent out.
I used to see my tenant now and again, probably twice a month or so but I have realised that I haven't seen her in about a year or more. My daughter lives nearby and also used to bump into her quite a lot at the local shop and she says she hasn't seen her in ages either.
She's a retired single lady and it's a single occupancy studio flat.
The other day I was locked out of the main building and I rang her buzzer to ask if she wouldn't mind letting me back in and a man answered and buzzed me in before I'd finished my sentence.
I tried the buzzer again the next day and no-one answered.
Am I being unreasonable to think she might have left the flat and be subletting it? or something more sinister?
And WIBU to go and knock on her door and see if she's there? I'm worried I might come across as harassing her. And what do I say if she answers?

OP posts:
Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 12:16

Alltheyellowbirds · 07/07/2025 12:14

You mean she’s under the patio?

I see that you get invested in threads too. Do you think it would be a be a good idea, when posters don’t update, we just carry on with the thread making up all kinds of conclusions/scenarios? Could be fun! 😁

Alltheyellowbirds · 07/07/2025 12:17

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 12:16

I see that you get invested in threads too. Do you think it would be a be a good idea, when posters don’t update, we just carry on with the thread making up all kinds of conclusions/scenarios? Could be fun! 😁

Excellent idea 😆

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 12:17

Haha! Even with a perfectly wrapped up parcel of a thread, someone has to be grumpy!

cloudyblueglass · 07/07/2025 12:18

There are rules on how long you’re allowed to go in holiday for and still claim housing benefit - the length depends if you’re holidaying in the uk or abroad. The length of time she’s been away has exceeded the longest time length permitted. She’s claiming housing benefit fraudulently at the point

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 12:33

cloudyblueglass · 07/07/2025 12:18

There are rules on how long you’re allowed to go in holiday for and still claim housing benefit - the length depends if you’re holidaying in the uk or abroad. The length of time she’s been away has exceeded the longest time length permitted. She’s claiming housing benefit fraudulently at the point

Ok but I don't know for sure she's claiming it. All I know is that she was when she moved in. She could have inherited a chunk of money in the meantime. It's really none of my business. All I know is that she was when she moved in because we were closer then, and I set the rate to match HB rates. She's not obliged (as far as I am concerned) to keep me up to date with her financial situation. It's really none of my business and if people are going to come on here and tell me it's my duty to report her, then you can all swivel quite frankly because I am not going to, nor am I going to get into a discussion about any further perceived obligations at this point. Thanks for coming, goodbye.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 12:36

Hey wait -

she's a nice lady, bit quirky

Older, polite and respectable lonely bloke living on his own

Don’t do any matchmaking though, you might lose your tenant!

cloudyblueglass · 07/07/2025 12:36

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 12:33

Ok but I don't know for sure she's claiming it. All I know is that she was when she moved in. She could have inherited a chunk of money in the meantime. It's really none of my business. All I know is that she was when she moved in because we were closer then, and I set the rate to match HB rates. She's not obliged (as far as I am concerned) to keep me up to date with her financial situation. It's really none of my business and if people are going to come on here and tell me it's my duty to report her, then you can all swivel quite frankly because I am not going to, nor am I going to get into a discussion about any further perceived obligations at this point. Thanks for coming, goodbye.

I’m not sure where I said you had a duty?

Your rudeness is noted.

Have a nice day.

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 12:38

cloudyblueglass · 07/07/2025 12:36

I’m not sure where I said you had a duty?

Your rudeness is noted.

Have a nice day.

I didn't mean the whole comment to be aimed at you, sorry if it seemed personal

OP posts:
Limehawkmoth · 07/07/2025 12:43

bunnibee · 04/07/2025 12:11

Knock and say you want to do a yearly/six month check?

Cants do that, it’s illegal. You have to give 24 hours notice of a visit unless emergency …like on fire or flooding

I’d put a note through door sealed in envelope with 24 hrs notice to say you’re coming round . Go round, if they don’t answer then call police to do a welfare check

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 12:45

Limehawkmoth · 07/07/2025 12:43

Cants do that, it’s illegal. You have to give 24 hours notice of a visit unless emergency …like on fire or flooding

I’d put a note through door sealed in envelope with 24 hrs notice to say you’re coming round . Go round, if they don’t answer then call police to do a welfare check

It’s all sorted, OP has updated.

AuntyHistamine · 07/07/2025 12:46

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 11:23

Right, you buggers, I back with my update and I am pleased to say.... drumroll.... MYSTERY IS SOLVED!!

After delivering the 24hrs notice to come in and inspect notice under the door yesterday, also sending the same message on Facebook (couldn't find her on any other social media) and trying numerous times to reach her on the phone, my daughter and I went up to the flat, unlocked it with my key, aaaaaaand.....

It's immaculately clean and tidy and no-one was on there. Both of my notes were lying on the floor by the door, untouched.
On closer inspection, we could see there was a pile of post that has been gathered up and left neatly on the table, and that there was a thin layer of dust on everything, including the hoover, so it obviously hasn't been cleaned up recently, but left like that. All the electrical appliances, including fridge were switched off. Gas cooker disconnected oops, sorry, electrical cooker also switched off.
There is no evidence of anyone living there except my tenant. There was an open clothes rail of female only clothes, no male grooming products around, a single pillow in the middle of her double bed, photos around with no partner in them, but with her in them.
However, there were a lot of beautiful houseplants around which were clearly very well cared for, not dying, and when we touched the soil, could see it wasn't dry.

So there you have it - She's gone away somewhere, is clearly intending to return and someone has been popping in to water her plants. That will be whoever answered the buzzer!!

We left, satisfied the mystery is solved and all is well.

But then we got back downstairs to my flat, and we decided that it would be sensible to leave a third note by the plants to ask whoever has been watering them to please give me a quick ring, just to confirm all is well.

I sent daughter up with the note and she didn't come back down for ages, so I went up to investigate. I found she had been accosted by the lovely (male!!) owner of the flat next door who had heard voices and someone going in and out of tenant's flat, thought tenant had returned, and had got daughter chatting and was able to confirm that it's him that's been popping in to water her plants and pick up the post a couple of times a week, and that tenant has gone travelling around Asia for around six months, but he's expecting her back this month, and that she often doesn't have phone signal or internet while travelling. This is entirely fits with my lovely tenant's freestyle hippy personality and is a completely believable story.

So there you have it mumsnetters. Sorry it's not some dark secret and has a perfectly innocent explanation that is probably rather disappointing and boring to you lot, but a huge relief to me.

Keep being amazing - and remember, do your gas safety checks!

Is her rent being paid by universal credit? If it is I wouldn’t be too smug just yet because you can’t go away that length of time. I’d find out where the rent is coming from pretty sharpish if I were you because this could be a problem. Gas checks could be the least of your problems.

LemonLass · 07/07/2025 13:18

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 11:25

Oh and I will have a friendly word with her about going away for a significant amount of time and not letting me know, as contract states she should, but that's not a big deal.

Insurance (building for you and contents if she has her own cover for that) may be negated for anything 60 days + (gas cooker may need switching off at mains, too hehe)

Pepsipepsi · 07/07/2025 13:26

Unfortunately landlords can be held liable when housing benefit has been overpaid. Usually it's the tenant that's is responsible but if the landlord has contributed by for example, not keeping on top of changes in the tenancy or agreement. A quick Google search will tell you this. I'm not saying dob her in but getting all the facts when she's back about how the rent is being paid and when she plans to leave for holiday again should be a good start.

pennyHD · 07/07/2025 13:28

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 12:14

She is living in the country you narna, she's just travelling.

And she's worked hard her whole life, she only retired 5 years ago. She's entitled to enjoy it.

I hardly think pointing out that she’s doing something against benefit claiming rules makes me a ‘narna’

Why should taxpayers foot the bill for her rent for six months whilst her flat is empty?!! What a piss take!

B1anche · 07/07/2025 13:28

Thanks for the update OP, a very satisfactory conclusion. Some MNers would only have been happy if both the tenant and the plants had died of carbon monoxide poisoning, despite there being no gas, and the flat had been taken over by an illegal immigrant / drug baron / master criminal.

Sixtygoingonthirty · 07/07/2025 14:20

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 12:16

I see that you get invested in threads too. Do you think it would be a be a good idea, when posters don’t update, we just carry on with the thread making up all kinds of conclusions/scenarios? Could be fun! 😁

Many people have done that here already ….. they don’t need OP Stating facts to put them off!

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 14:25

Sixtygoingonthirty · 07/07/2025 14:20

Many people have done that here already ….. they don’t need OP Stating facts to put them off!

Ha! True but I was talking about the ones where the OP disappears never to be seen again. This OP was great for updating, you don’t get that normally.

cloudyblueglass · 07/07/2025 14:29

Just so you are aware OP - now that you are aware that she’s out of the country for an extended period of time and as far as you are aware she was claiming HB at some point, it is potentially possibly if she still is, and you’re receiving that money, you could be perused instead of her for the overpayment.

sidebirds · 07/07/2025 14:35

Limehawkmoth · 07/07/2025 12:43

Cants do that, it’s illegal. You have to give 24 hours notice of a visit unless emergency …like on fire or flooding

I’d put a note through door sealed in envelope with 24 hrs notice to say you’re coming round . Go round, if they don’t answer then call police to do a welfare check

Note through the door with 24 hours notice before he goes round is a great idea. Failing that, he could claim to need to carry out annual gas safety check? Look forward to OP's update when he's gone in 🙄

Sixtygoingonthirty · 07/07/2025 14:47

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 14:25

Ha! True but I was talking about the ones where the OP disappears never to be seen again. This OP was great for updating, you don’t get that normally.

Absolutely ….. OP’s been great, especially given the amount of stupid questions/comments she’s had aimed at her!

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 14:52

Sixtygoingonthirty · 07/07/2025 14:47

Absolutely ….. OP’s been great, especially given the amount of stupid questions/comments she’s had aimed at her!

Yes, and it’s still going on!!!

Utterlyconfusednow · 07/07/2025 15:03

sidebirds · 07/07/2025 14:35

Note through the door with 24 hours notice before he goes round is a great idea. Failing that, he could claim to need to carry out annual gas safety check? Look forward to OP's update when he's gone in 🙄

Bloke won’t be coming back with an update.

AncoraAmarena · 07/07/2025 15:18

@landladywithmissingtenant you sound great, your tenant is lucky to have you as a landlord. So pleased that it worked out ok and thank you for updating the thread!

landladywithmissingtenant · 07/07/2025 15:28

Thanks so much for everyone's kind words

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