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Meet the Henry- High Earner not rich yet

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Ontobetterthings · 03/07/2025 05:25

This was a very interesting read about a man who earns 100k but struggling financially working in London. After doubling his wage to 100k with inflation costs he is only 6k better off a year.

https://www.cityam.com/100k-isnt-a-big-salary-and-we-need-to-talk-about-it/

I can believe 100k salary in London is a struggle. Aibu?

£100K isn't a big salary - and we need to talk about it

He lives in a grotty flat, shops in Aldi, can barely afford a holiday and earns £100k. Meet Henry: a High Earner Not Rich Yet. He may not attract sympathy, but he's a symptom a failing economy

https://www.cityam.com/100k-isnt-a-big-salary-and-we-need-to-talk-about-it/

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Sharptonguedwoman · 03/07/2025 08:39

Prayingforananswer · 03/07/2025 05:49

That was an interesting read but the expenses are very London-centric, especially the rent for a one bedroom flat. If Henry really wanted to be better off in London, he would have to follow the immediate pain for future gain lifestyle. Move into shared accommodation, stop eating out/going to the pub, no new clothes etc.

Or he could move to a cheaper city where a lower salary will leave him with more disposable income.

The thing is though, he's spent years doing that. Being a flatmate etc with apparently little prospect of things getting better unless he has a miraculous job transfer to Leeds, probably away from family and friends.
It's always been much, much cheaper to couple up.

Hello98765 · 03/07/2025 08:39

Caligirl80 · 03/07/2025 07:36

What is your definition of "normal" pay? And, perhaps more importantly, what is your definition of a "normal" lifestyle??
If it's someone on a teacher's entry level salary who is hoping to live in Kensington in their own home by themselves then clearly that's not going to happen. But that's also unlikely to happen even if they earn a Magic Circle entry level solicitor salary.

It's nothing new for people to have housemates/flat mates for many years. What has changed is that people these days do seem more inclined to think that they are "entitled" somehow to live either by themselves or with a partner in a lovely non-shared home in a lovely inner city building on an entry level salary. Sadly this is being stoked by the dreaded influencers who live fake lives.

Most of the single (non-parents) in their 20s/early thirties I know of who live in the nicer parts of London who and have decent jobs ALSO have housemates. Not only does it save a heck of a lot of money, but it's also much more fun.

As for people who are living with a significant other: often times in London they will also still have a house mate or get income from a room via AirBnB depending on the situation. This isn't unique to London - I can think of plenty of friends in other similar cities who have this sort of set up.

I think people need to stop feeling so entitled or hard done by because they can't afford to live by themselves in the higher end areas of London. That's nothing new. And the situation shouldn't be a surprise to someone who has done their research prior to choosing a career or a profession. Moroever, someone who doesn't like that situation can live in a cheaper part of the country (there are many) and can - certainly at a young age - alter their career path. Heck, lots of people in middle/later age alter their career paths: there were a number of people in my law school class who had different professions before deciding to become a lawyer: one woman was in her sixties and had previously worked as research chemist. The opportunities for further education have never been more varied and easy to access. Point being: if you want to be able to afford to live in London then having rich parents or a trust fund etc certainly isn't a pre-requisite.

I think the issue is that 100k is meant to be the top 2% of earners. If someone in the top 2% earners can barely afford to rent a small flat (in fairly average areas of London tbh), that suggests something is awry with the system.

Think about it this way. Someone from a poor background but who has made a success of their life, now earning around 100k, will not see the fruits of that labour. Whereas someone with inherited wealth or who bought their home for peanuts 40 years ago, can live in whatever area they like. There's not much social mobility in that.

Didimum · 03/07/2025 08:40

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:37

Of course he has .He can move out of London and commute. Many on far less do that.

Except that commuting costs eradicate the saving in housing.

SameDayNewName · 03/07/2025 08:40

Didimum · 03/07/2025 08:36

I’m all for what you saying (DH and I are high earners ourselves). I just don’t think an article ever talks about salary as net adjusted income – I would hedge all my bets that it’s a gross salary and the article simply got that bit wrong.

Can you get the salary of a fictional person wrong?

Sparkiest · 03/07/2025 08:41

Eatingallthebountys · 03/07/2025 06:35

Didn’t it come out this article was written by AI?

The AI article was the one in the Telegraph about vat on school fees meaning a family couldn't go on holiday 4x a year, and they were all called Al, Alexandra, AIlie etc 😂 This one is just a stock or AI photo to represent a type- I don't think we're supposed to imagine it's about an actual man.

hettie · 03/07/2025 08:41

@NameChangedForThis2025
Nails it (or quite a lot of it.
The lifestyle I had growing up as the child of a small town GP and part time nurse is now only affordable for millionaires. I would love to give my son the childhood I had, but that’s never going to happen. It’s not poor me, there’s no violins here, I know I am lucky, but it is a mental and emotional adjustment I’ve had to make.
Previously 'good' professional jobs which lead to these high salaries no longer buys the lifestyle that the previous generation enjoyed. That's due to massive increases (way way above inflation) in housing cots and fairly enormous increases in childcare costs.
My mum could simply not comprehend or lives/lifestyle if she knew what dh and earnt. She'd assume we had gambling or addiction problems 😆We have a 3 bed terrace in a southern city, a foreign holiday a year and a golf sized 4 year old car (recent purchase because the 12 year old car had to towed for scrap) and state school education with no tutors. We have been full on high responsibility full time jobs and are definitely in the top 5% of earners. She absolutely would assume we should be living a much more lavish lifestyle (private schools more hols etc).
I however don't think this, we just live in a different time.... The previous generation was a one off golden era of initial reasonable house prices (even with high interest rates at times) and final salary pensions (both of course for the kinds of 'good' careers that we are talking about here-plenty of people were and are poor).
I have a very nice life compared to many. All good, not resentful, not do I resent a penny of all the tax we pay. The big costs (we are part the child care squeeze where we had to go interest only) is the mortgage and big pension contributions.

Kisskiss · 03/07/2025 08:42

Boohoo Henry. He has the potential to be rich at some point so he should be grateful. Meanwhile do a house share ( every young person starting out had to ) live not in zone 1, make your own lunches for work …

Octonaut4Life · 03/07/2025 08:43

Henry is an idiot who is overpaying on housing because he thinks he should be able to. Henry could get a two bedroom flat next to the station in Croydon for substantially less than he is paying now, which suggests the issue is Henry's lack of flexibility on location, not his salary 🙄

Plinketyplonks · 03/07/2025 08:45

The Economist ran an article on this subject a few months ago

Who will speak for Henry?
The “High Earner, Not Rich Yet” is the most overlooked voter in British politics

Mar 26th 2025
This is an illustration depicting a businessman struggling to juggle multiple responsibilities. The man, dressed in a suit with a headset on, is holding a coffee cup while pushing a baby stroller. The baby inside the stroller is crying, and the man appears
Photograph: Nate Kitch
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It is hard to feel sorry for someone who boasts about their £460 ($600) Sony headphones. It is difficult to worry about the finances of a person who rests their head on a £1,700 Tempur Elite mattress. It is almost unnatural to feel sympathy for a 30-something who posts a picture of their bank account containing £100,180.79, with the caption: “Charlie Munger famously said, ‘The first 100k is a bitch.’ Well, suck it Charlie. I did it!”

The High Earner, Not Rich Yet (Henry) forum on Reddit, a website, from which these examples come is a safe space for those on six-figure salaries to boast about their wealth and moan about their lot. It is the natural home of an overtaxed and underappreciated Briton, whom politicians should ignore at their peril. Pity poor Henry. He has it harder than you think.

For starters, Henry’s tax affairs are painful. Overall, the tax take is close to its highest level since the second world war. Middle-earners have it good. Still-generous tax-free allowances of £12,750, recent cuts to employee national insurance and a basic rate of income tax at its lowest level in the modern era mean that the average earner is lightly taxed.

By contrast, Henry is hosed. At £100,000, the removal of the tax-free allowance creates a 60% marginal tax rate for those lucky enough to have a fat salary. When national insurance and student-loan repayment—which act like a tax—are included, a young high-flyer can face a 71% rate. It is not quite 1960s levels, when The Beatles moaned about “one for you, 19 for me”, but it is not far off.

Henry misses out on perks others enjoy. The Conservatives introduced lavish free child-care allowances, which are worth tens of thousands. Yet Henrys are excluded. When all this is put together, a Henry in London with two children under five is better off earning £99,999 than £149,000. Tax experts must often explain that tax rates ensure there are no gigantic losses when income crosses a certain threshold. In England, however, earning one pound over £100,000 can cost thousands.

No party is in a rush to fix this. Henry looms small in the political imagination. Fundamentally, Labour is not designed to care for the rich. Henry has been evicted from what should be the natural home of grasping yuppies: the Conservative Party. A typical Henry is a youngish, white-collar worker in London, sending emails that somehow generate economic value—the type of voter the Conservative Party now, bizarrely, holds in contempt.

Even the Liberal Democrats, who today dominate England’s prosperous south, are squeamish about pandering to Henry. They are silent on the tax treatment of Britain’s best-paid workers. Reform UK, the challenger to Labour and the Tories, offers little to Henry. At the last election, Reform UK did worst among households who earned £70,000 or more and best among those earning less than £30,000. It is not yet a party for people who spend £250 a year on the American Express card that gives more air miles.

Ignoring Henry comes with political risks. There are more Henrys than many politicians suppose. In total, about 1.8m people earn more than £100,000 a year. When the next election heaves into view, about 2.2m will, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies. For context, at the last election, about 2m Conservative voters shifted to Reform UK, which was enough to trigger talk of political revolution.

Since no one will look out for Henry, Henry has begun to look out for himself. TikTok is awash with financial advisers hawking tax-efficiency strategies to people on £100,000 plus. The topic of how to qualify for free child care is so common on the Reddit Henry forum that some users want it banned. It is a mistake to assume that people are automatically rational actors who will milk a system for all it is worth. They can however be trained. Homo economicus may not exist; Homo redditus does.

These lessons are already spreading. About 10,000 more people earned between £99,000 and £99,999 than you would expect in 2022, according to Arun Advani, director of the Centre for the Analysis of Taxation, as people ducked under the Henry threshold. Teaching a generation of rich workers about the joys of tax efficiency is hazardous when the tax base is so narrow. After all, Henrys account for about 5% of taxpayers but nearly half of all income-tax receipts.

Britain may be desperate for growth, yet it has devised a tax system that encourages Henry to take things easy. Why not try a four-day week? The direct financial hit is small; the perks—such as free child care worth tens of thousands of pounds—are large. But the consequences are ugly. The British Medical Association, which represents Dr Henry, the most sympathetic example of the species, argues tax kinks mean its members work less than they would. A lawyer clocking off early is no bother; a surgeon doing a four-day week means granny waits longer for a new hip.

Nor is this likely to be a short-term problem. What happens if Henry tires of his four-day week? Early retirement looms. Britons can stuff £60,000 tax-free into their pension each year to lower their taxable income and avoid swingeing rates. If rich Britons are forced to oversave in their 30s, they can crack open a bulging pension pot in their 50s. Come 2050, many of today’s Henrys will have put their feet up.

It’s an inequitable life, Henry

If politicians will not fight for Henry out of political interest or for the sake of the economy, perhaps they will take a look out of self-interest. Parliamentarians have enjoyed healthy wage growth in the past decade. Each will earn nearly £94,000 from April. By the end of the parliament, an mp will likely earn a smidge over £100,000. The House of Commons will become a House of Henrys. Maybe they will fix it then. ■

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:46

Which he can easily afford on that salary. After tax Henry now gets £5800 a month.Even with rent at £2k he has masses left over.£2k a month rent would easily give you a garden in the suburbs. .£3800 left by over for travel, savings and living.

Henry is rich.

NameChangedForThis2025 · 03/07/2025 08:46

Jenala · 03/07/2025 08:36

All this 'in real terms after inflation' stuff annoys me. I know it's correct but DH is a bricklayer who actually earns 10k a year less after housebuilders put prices down last year. What's that in real terms after inflation? People need to shut up making themselves feel worse putting it into those terms all the time. He should think himself lucky he was able to have a job where his salary increases at least surpassed inflation somewhat (given he says he's 6k pa better off). That's more than most of us can say. Be humble and think about the majority of the UK who are actually worse off.

I don’t think I agree with that. We have a huge of cost of living and economy crisis. I don’t think we should pretend it’s not affecting some sections of society, just because they’re not as badly hit as others.

We need to talk about it being a big problem. We need to talk about it financially crippling some people, forcing people into poverty, people struggling to stay above the breadline. We can do all that and we can also talk about how the economy is failing almost everyone in our country, which includes Henry’s who are probably more likely to be Henry’s (high income, never rich).

I do get how it must be hard to hear how higher earners are affected too for those who are genuinely struggling.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:46

Didimum · 03/07/2025 08:40

Except that commuting costs eradicate the saving in housing.

Which he can easily afford on that salary. After tax Henry now gets £5800 a month.Even with rent at £2k he has masses left over.£2k a month rent would easily give you a garden in the suburbs. .£3800 left by over for travel, savings and living.
Henry is rich.

Biginnin · 03/07/2025 08:47

My take would be like many men he is afraid to commit to his partner and is enjoying the bachelor lifestyle. As such the are paying 2 sets of rent, council tax and standing charges. He is spending nearly all the money he does have keeping up with his mates (attending weddings they can barely afford to go to ) rather than securing their own future.

It is a lot of money, he's just prioritised the wrong things and then is surprised when he can't have it all. Dunno why he's getting paid as a consultant when he can't see the obvious failings in his own life strategy

BlueWorkDay · 03/07/2025 08:47

London is prohibitively expensive.

The first time I could afford to rent on my own was when I earned £75k (and that was 2012)... we couldn't afford to buy a house in zone 2 even when DH and I had a combined salary of £200k and a deposit of £120k.

When we lived there (until 2023), 3 bed terrace houses with a small garden on our entirely unremarkable street in South London (zone 2/3 border) sold for £1.3 to 1.6m

If you don't earn a stonking well-into-six-figure salary, buying a house in London (zones 1 and 2, and the nicer parts of 3) is impossible.

The only way to stay there is to live in shared rentals, local authority property, or houses bought before the 2000's.

There is a genuine cost of living and housing crisis. Which will lead to a pensions and elderly care crisis as people won't have bricks and mortar investment to see them through retirement.

Sparkiest · 03/07/2025 08:47

Biginnin · 03/07/2025 08:47

My take would be like many men he is afraid to commit to his partner and is enjoying the bachelor lifestyle. As such the are paying 2 sets of rent, council tax and standing charges. He is spending nearly all the money he does have keeping up with his mates (attending weddings they can barely afford to go to ) rather than securing their own future.

It is a lot of money, he's just prioritised the wrong things and then is surprised when he can't have it all. Dunno why he's getting paid as a consultant when he can't see the obvious failings in his own life strategy

It's not a real person.

MidnightPatrol · 03/07/2025 08:48

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:37

Of course he has .He can move out of London and commute. Many on far less do that.

Moving out is often not much cheaper / makes having family difficult because of commutes etc.

We have thought about it. A lot - a bigger house locally to where we are would mean an insane mortgage, £4-5k a month, just impossible on top of childcare costs.

But let’s use PPs example of £5500 for a season ticket. We would need two of those. So £11000. £20000 before tax.

And the commute is going to be >1 hour. You also might need a car (or even two). Plus parking.

And houses close to stations are… really not much better value for money than where we are in London, to be honest.

So we would get 20-30% more space, less time due to commuting (I’d be getting home at bed time rather than getting an hour with my kids), and spend an extra £900 a month on commuting.

I think this model worked in an era of people having one high earner and a stay at home parent, or a second parent who had a local job and can pick up all the childcare etc - but if both have careers that involve some London commuting it’s very difficult.

Savoury · 03/07/2025 08:49

All the “tiny violins” responses on such threads show that ambition is not recognised nor rewarded in the UK. Yet high earners pay most of the state spending in this country: NHS, education, unemployment and sickness benefits etc.

This week’s welfare reform climbdown means that taxes are going up and it won’t be the super rich people who pay - it’ll be those earning between 50-500k as these are in the PAYE bracket with no access to fancy tax advisors. Many can’t even contribute tax free to pensions due to tapering.

These people are also sought after in the US, Middle East and on the contingent so let’s watch them leave and tax the remainder even more.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:52

MidnightPatrol · 03/07/2025 08:48

Moving out is often not much cheaper / makes having family difficult because of commutes etc.

We have thought about it. A lot - a bigger house locally to where we are would mean an insane mortgage, £4-5k a month, just impossible on top of childcare costs.

But let’s use PPs example of £5500 for a season ticket. We would need two of those. So £11000. £20000 before tax.

And the commute is going to be >1 hour. You also might need a car (or even two). Plus parking.

And houses close to stations are… really not much better value for money than where we are in London, to be honest.

So we would get 20-30% more space, less time due to commuting (I’d be getting home at bed time rather than getting an hour with my kids), and spend an extra £900 a month on commuting.

I think this model worked in an era of people having one high earner and a stay at home parent, or a second parent who had a local job and can pick up all the childcare etc - but if both have careers that involve some London commuting it’s very difficult.

No idea what you earn but the same as 2 salaries will equal better tax so more after tax each month.

Henry can easily afford £500 a month season ticket, London is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Nobody has a right to live there.

EnidSpyton · 03/07/2025 08:52

This article is spot on (even if written by AI) and I do think it's important this issue is getting more airtime.

There is a huge 'them and us' attitude in this country, with lower earners believing it's absolutely fine to keep whacking the 'rich' with tax hikes to fund rising welfare costs. The problem is, if you ask a lot of lower earners what rich looks like, they'll say it's 100k, believing that people on that kind of salary are living the life of riley and can well afford to have more of their pay packet taken away from them every month. The reality is they can't, and so that's where we have a massive problem - the supposed 'rich' don't feel rich at all - and resent continued tax hikes that make them struggle to afford to live - and they either start investigating tax dodges or emigrate. This results in fewer people paying into the system and so we end up back at square one.

100k now is not 100k in the 80s and 90s - it simply doesn't go anywhere near as far - and people on that salary really are not 'high earners' in real terms anymore. We need to adjust our standard of what a 'high earner' is, and as others have said, adjust the psychological response to 100k. It doesn't mean what we think it does - at least it doesn't if you are in London or the SE, and the sole earner of your household.

The reality is - you can't keep squeezing and squeezing the same group of people. Eventually they will run out of juice.

Perimenoanti · 03/07/2025 08:52

Prayingforananswer · 03/07/2025 05:49

That was an interesting read but the expenses are very London-centric, especially the rent for a one bedroom flat. If Henry really wanted to be better off in London, he would have to follow the immediate pain for future gain lifestyle. Move into shared accommodation, stop eating out/going to the pub, no new clothes etc.

Or he could move to a cheaper city where a lower salary will leave him with more disposable income.

It's sounds completely ridiculous that someone on 100k should need to do that .

My advise to Henry is buy a shared ownership, pay off the mortgage asap and then don't buy anymore but invest in stocks and shares.

MidnightPatrol · 03/07/2025 08:53

Octonaut4Life · 03/07/2025 08:43

Henry is an idiot who is overpaying on housing because he thinks he should be able to. Henry could get a two bedroom flat next to the station in Croydon for substantially less than he is paying now, which suggests the issue is Henry's lack of flexibility on location, not his salary 🙄

I don’t think it’s a good example anyway as I think you can live fine as a single adult on £100k in London but…

… he’s probably in the top 1% of earners in his age group, do you not think you’d expect something slightly better than being able to rent a flat in Croydon?

20 years ago he’d have been buying a flat in zones 1-2.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 03/07/2025 08:54

Savoury · 03/07/2025 08:49

All the “tiny violins” responses on such threads show that ambition is not recognised nor rewarded in the UK. Yet high earners pay most of the state spending in this country: NHS, education, unemployment and sickness benefits etc.

This week’s welfare reform climbdown means that taxes are going up and it won’t be the super rich people who pay - it’ll be those earning between 50-500k as these are in the PAYE bracket with no access to fancy tax advisors. Many can’t even contribute tax free to pensions due to tapering.

These people are also sought after in the US, Middle East and on the contingent so let’s watch them leave and tax the remainder even more.

Ambition means living off lentils and austerity for a good long while. We all have to do it. Ambition doesn’t mean way way wah £5800 isn’t enough ( it is)for a single person to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

Primrose86 · 03/07/2025 08:54

BlueWorkDay · 03/07/2025 08:47

London is prohibitively expensive.

The first time I could afford to rent on my own was when I earned £75k (and that was 2012)... we couldn't afford to buy a house in zone 2 even when DH and I had a combined salary of £200k and a deposit of £120k.

When we lived there (until 2023), 3 bed terrace houses with a small garden on our entirely unremarkable street in South London (zone 2/3 border) sold for £1.3 to 1.6m

If you don't earn a stonking well-into-six-figure salary, buying a house in London (zones 1 and 2, and the nicer parts of 3) is impossible.

The only way to stay there is to live in shared rentals, local authority property, or houses bought before the 2000's.

There is a genuine cost of living and housing crisis. Which will lead to a pensions and elderly care crisis as people won't have bricks and mortar investment to see them through retirement.

Edited

Or a flat. We bought a 2 bed flat in zone 3 for 400k.

Biginnin · 03/07/2025 08:55

MidnightPatrol · 03/07/2025 08:48

Moving out is often not much cheaper / makes having family difficult because of commutes etc.

We have thought about it. A lot - a bigger house locally to where we are would mean an insane mortgage, £4-5k a month, just impossible on top of childcare costs.

But let’s use PPs example of £5500 for a season ticket. We would need two of those. So £11000. £20000 before tax.

And the commute is going to be >1 hour. You also might need a car (or even two). Plus parking.

And houses close to stations are… really not much better value for money than where we are in London, to be honest.

So we would get 20-30% more space, less time due to commuting (I’d be getting home at bed time rather than getting an hour with my kids), and spend an extra £900 a month on commuting.

I think this model worked in an era of people having one high earner and a stay at home parent, or a second parent who had a local job and can pick up all the childcare etc - but if both have careers that involve some London commuting it’s very difficult.

Why would they need two? He isn't living with his girlfriend.

Holdonforsummer · 03/07/2025 08:55

I have limited sympathy… ‘Henry’ could move out to zone 3 or 4 and easily afford to buy a flat within a 30 commute to work. ‘Henry’ also has a girlfriend earning over £100k and they haven’t even begun to add their finances together yet.