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Family dynamics

19 replies

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 19:58

I’ve posted before about my BIL and his behaviour towards my best friend recently and people on here were v supportive.

For context, a couple months ago, he inserted himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him — my best friend was facing eviction after only 6 months from a property owned by his sister - through no fault of their own but because the landlord had moved in with her boyfriend and then split quickly.

Instead of keeping out of it, he got heavily involved. He became aggressive with my best friend, escalated things unnecessarily, and behaved in a really nasty and way to my friend and his partner. There were also homophobic comments involved. It was extremely upsetting and I felt like it made everything personal rather than a landlord / tenant issue.

My friend and his partner were very upset about his behaviour. I raised it with my mum and she told me to stop making an issue out of it. She completely minimised everything, like she always does when I try to express discomfort or hurt.

I feel like my feelings have never really been taken seriously in my family — and when I do speak up, I’m painted as the one making trouble. I’ve always felt “othered” somehow, like I don’t fit or the one who has to carry everyone else’s emotional discomfort.

Last week, my BIL posted a photo in the family WhatsApp group. I meant to forward it to my friend who'd been evicted with a bit of a pithy comment, but I accidentally replied in the group. I deleted it instantly, but clearly some saw it.

I hadn’t heard from my mum in over a week — no reply to my messages — and today she messaged me out of the blue with a really horrible text, calling me cruel and horrible. She’s on holiday now and dropped that in like a final word.

I know I was a bit mean and I feel bad, but it was meant as a bit of a private joke.

I think what really hurts is she never says a word about other behaviour but she has no problem calling me out and making it all about how I’m the cruel one.

She said in her message to me that she knows I think I get treated differently from my sisters — but I’m “wrong” and “deluded.” Which, to me, kind of proves my point. Just more gaslighting and rewriting of the dynamics I’ve lived with my whole life.

I’m in my 30s now, but I still feel like a child when this stuff happens. I hope I’m not being unreasonable — I know I’m allowed to have boundaries and opinions — but I’m left feeling totally unseen.

Has anyone else grown up in this kind of family dynamic, where your emotions are dismissed and you end up being labelled “difficult” for expressing needs / feelings etc?

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Diarygirlqueen · 28/06/2025 20:21

Step away or reinforce boundaries. Best thing i ever did.

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 20:25

Diarygirlqueen · 28/06/2025 20:21

Step away or reinforce boundaries. Best thing i ever did.

Can I ask how!? It's so draining. I feel like a child again. I hate the inconsistency

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Diarygirlqueen · 28/06/2025 20:31

I explained calmly why I was cutting this person out, they made me feel so small and no respect was given to me. It affected my mental health being in their company. My voice didn't matter.
I blocked them and told the rest of my family not to mention them or me to them. I am still treated as the bad guy so I have limited contact with my mum and the rest of my siblings.
I can't make them treat me as I want to be treated but I can control my own behaviour.
I am a people pleaser but since going to counselling its got better. I'm a work in progress.
Good luck, family dynamics is hard.

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 20:33

Thanks so much for your response. Agree, it's so hard.

I'm worried about my son's contact with my parents with whom he is very close, but they diminish me every time I hear from them and never listen to my thoughts or views and dismiss me at every turn. It gets quite upsetting and really affects my mental health.

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Jabberwok · 28/06/2025 20:37

Àt least you realise that you are being othered, or coming third in a two horse race. My wife is in her 50s and still doesn't see how that has happened to her all her life.

You have a decision do you
A accept it, apologise and accept the situation
B fight back point out you were in the right and that you mum must see it
C go no or low contact with these people.

Yes every decision is hard but you need to make one

Diarygirlqueen · 28/06/2025 20:41

My younger sister gets treated worse. She gets no respect, always being told she is parenting wrong, noone respects her opinion. Even our older nieces/nephews laugh behind her back, noone values her. It's heartbreaking to watch but I can't make her stand up for herself. Nothing will change until you take action.

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 20:45

Jabberwok · 28/06/2025 20:37

Àt least you realise that you are being othered, or coming third in a two horse race. My wife is in her 50s and still doesn't see how that has happened to her all her life.

You have a decision do you
A accept it, apologise and accept the situation
B fight back point out you were in the right and that you mum must see it
C go no or low contact with these people.

Yes every decision is hard but you need to make one

If you don't mind, can I ask how it manifests with your wife? Is it similar treatment to how I've described?

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Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 21:29

bump - anyone else? Or maybe should I move to relationship forum?

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CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 21:32

Last week, my BIL posted a photo in the family WhatsApp group. I meant to forward it to my friend who'd been evicted with a bit of a pithy comment, but I accidentally replied in the group. I deleted it instantly, but clearly some saw it.
So you shared his private photo, were slagging him off,or being rude about him and the others in the photo?
Your sister? Their children?

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 22:17

CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 21:32

Last week, my BIL posted a photo in the family WhatsApp group. I meant to forward it to my friend who'd been evicted with a bit of a pithy comment, but I accidentally replied in the group. I deleted it instantly, but clearly some saw it.
So you shared his private photo, were slagging him off,or being rude about him and the others in the photo?
Your sister? Their children?

Edited

I reshared a photo or message he'd put to our family group intending to reshare to my friend. I can't remember what I'd said, it wasn't particularly nasty, maybe a bit sarcastic. But deleted straight away within a minute or two.

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Letsbe · 28/06/2025 22:21

Im not sure it matters that you deleted it. It was an unkind thing to do. Whatever the background you were wrong. Thunk carefully before you and your son lose your family over this mistake.

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/06/2025 22:27

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 22:17

I reshared a photo or message he'd put to our family group intending to reshare to my friend. I can't remember what I'd said, it wasn't particularly nasty, maybe a bit sarcastic. But deleted straight away within a minute or two.

I think this is somewhat separate to the rest of the background. You accidentally replied to something in a group chat with an unpleasant comment - ultimately you have to own that and accept that it’s resulted in bad feeling towards you, it’s the risk you take if you try to say things behind other people’s backs and they find out about it.

In terms of family dynamics, as others have said, step away. Why do your friends and your BIL who you dislike need to be involved with each other? Keep them as compartmentalised spheres. You’ve learned that many of your relatives can’t offer you the relationships you want, so put distance there. Your son’s choices in whether he sees them or not are up to him.

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 22:27

Letsbe · 28/06/2025 22:21

Im not sure it matters that you deleted it. It was an unkind thing to do. Whatever the background you were wrong. Thunk carefully before you and your son lose your family over this mistake.

Yes and I appreciate that and it was a bad mistake I thought no one knew. I suppose my sadness is that when my brother in law decided to behave really aggressively towards by best friend of nearly 20 years and swear at him and be homophobic in a public place, everyone in my family told me to get over it because they found it inconvenient for the family dynamic. No one batted an eyelid about that. I can own my mistakes but it's the hypocrisy I find hard.

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CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 23:14

Was anything else going on? Bil out of nowhere decided to act like that?

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 23:36

CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 23:14

Was anything else going on? Bil out of nowhere decided to act like that?

BIL's sister moved into her boyfriend's house so put her house on rental market. My friend and his partner at the same time were looking for somewhere to rent. Cos of the family connections, I put them in touch. They had a legitimate rental agreement with a proper tenancy. She said they could have it for 2 years minimum but said it was furnished as she didnt want to pay for storage, so they got rid of all their furniture and fridges and washing machines, believing that it was long term enough to justify. Six months later, she split up with her boyfriend and said she wanted her house back. My friend works abroad and was in NZ at the time, so said, could we negotiate and leave in 12 weeks, and she said its 4 weeks otherwise she'd evict them through the courts. I think she saw that as a threat but unfortunately, courts were backlogged, which she didnt forsee. Then at the court hearing, which is v procedural - i work for a benefits charity - and its standard for S21s to have court hearings, my brother in law turned up out of nowhere when she had her solicitor and her dad. And then began berating my best friend and his partner and squaring up to him and blocking his exit to the doors to intimidate.

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CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 23:54

How long were they in the property after being asked to leave and did they continue to pay rent? Did they look for other tenancies?

Dontworryabout · 28/06/2025 23:59

CaptainFuture · 28/06/2025 23:54

How long were they in the property after being asked to leave and did they continue to pay rent? Did they look for other tenancies?

They got asked to leave six months into a two year tenancy. My friend works abroad so was away when they got the notice and asked for a grace period so they could work it out. I think they got the notice in September to leave. My mate was in NZ til November but said they could potentially move out in early December which feels reasonable and they didnt have anywhere to go. The rental market seems brutal. She said no to early decemeber and said if you dont leave in November I'll take you to court

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ExtraOnions · 29/06/2025 00:06

Your friend rented a house, then left it empty for months whilst they went to NZ? doesn’t that invalidate the house insurance ?

Anyway .. you took a personal photo, and said something mean.. you should apologise for that, and not try to justify it with “he said worse than me”

Then, you need to decide what you want to do moving forward.

CaptainFuture · 29/06/2025 00:16

They were living in NZ but renting house in UK? Did they stop paying rent at all?

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