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Sad that the pandemic didn't make us better

138 replies

Pennyforyourthoughtsplease · 28/06/2025 11:52

Those first few weeks were terrifying, but we made it through. Many worse off. Isn't it sad that coming through a global pandemic, we didn't become kinder, more appreciative and less materialistic; realising what really matters. If anything, I've noticed a significant shift these last few years where people have become more selfish and entitled. What happened?!

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Untery · 29/06/2025 07:30

People sacrificed so much during lockdowns that they are on a lifetime mission now not to let anything stand in their way of maximising their own enjoyment in life.

Lifesd · 29/06/2025 07:36

Pennyforyourthoughtsplease · 28/06/2025 13:02

Should that be seen as noble or just being courteous?

It was a huge relief when the performative mask wearing stopped - thank god it didn’t “catch on”.

Colds and viruses are part of life we can’t live entirely sanitised Iives - and to do so actually had a negative impact on most people’s immune systems.

FrenchandSaunders · 29/06/2025 07:40

deadpantrashcan · 28/06/2025 12:03

I was living in another country when this happened. There was a curfew imposed and everyone followed it as fines were imposed, fairly, to anyone who didn’t. The government also appeared to follow their own laws. Even had an alcohol ban to give people less reason to congregate, and to curb binge drinking through boredom. It was so so embarrassing to hear how the U.K. handled it, and how people acted.

Edited

Christ the wine in the sunshine in the garden was one of the few joys at the time. What country was this?😳

FrenchandSaunders · 29/06/2025 07:41

Sorry just seen, Thailand

Lifesd · 29/06/2025 07:43

Helpmeplease2025 · 29/06/2025 06:51

Lockdown was a joke. It was nothing for most people, yet the effects of lockdown were atrocious on mental health, money, business. And the scientists knew, they lied.

Trust is gone. I’ll definitely do what I want now.

💯 agree - i do wander if the money we spent on all of that shit, the ad campaigns the bodged PPE- if that had gone into fixing some of the mainly problems our society has if we would be in a better place.

Orangeandpurpletulips · 29/06/2025 08:04

Lifesd · 29/06/2025 07:43

💯 agree - i do wander if the money we spent on all of that shit, the ad campaigns the bodged PPE- if that had gone into fixing some of the mainly problems our society has if we would be in a better place.

Or funded some decent sick pay even.

anxietytty · 29/06/2025 08:12

Humans gonna human

NeedToChangeName · 29/06/2025 08:17

Boris' locksown parties brought home to me that politicians hold the public in contempt. Trust was broken

CaptainFuture · 29/06/2025 08:18

TorturedParentsDepartment · 28/06/2025 15:44

After a fuckwit on here told me that my child, who was in an absolute mental health mess, had a "good chance to learn resilience" from this - my tolerance for being "good" and doing the "right thing" broke. It's not come back because I've seen how quickly people will throw my kids' futures under the bus and I don't like it one bit.

Oh yeah and the hate directed against those who struggled massively wearing masks - people would have tied those up to burn them at the stake quite willingly, removed provision for healthcare from them, banned them from ever leaving their houses and quite probably taken their houses away as well.

So yeah - the pandemic showed me exactly how fucking evil the performative good guys really were and how rotten at the core the pan banging, rainbows and "thank you NHS" shite was.

This definitely resonates, while didn't experience to @TorturedParentsDepartment level, it was evident even on here, that children and how they were impacted meant nothing to so many, who were self important with their 'I AM VULNERABLE!! ONLY I MATTER!! CHILDREN SHOULD.NOT BE ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC AT ALL FOUL DISEASE CARRIERS!!!' and in the next breath would be expecting 'their village' to shop for them, collect prescriptions etc...
Always remember the poster on here who gave the advice a mum should isolate their 8 yo for the required period by locking them in their room, and leaving food outside the door on disposable plates...

EveSix · 29/06/2025 08:29

I do think people were emboldened to break rules and to take advantage of favourable circumstances brought about by the pandemic; I have many acquaintances who were able to apply for and massively benefit from business loans and funding for the most oblique and tangential reasons, yet the absolutely believe they deserved it as it was there for the taking. Others very much took the mickey with furlough, and, again, believe this was justified and 'fair game'.
The culture around work really split society, creating cohorts of people who now think it's reasonable to be on the take (and justify their thinking because of the government's poor behaviour and management, forgetting that they really weren't shafting the government -who wouldn't give two hoots- but society), and others who feel they were severely let down and taken advantage of.

BogRollBOGOF · 29/06/2025 08:40

How on earth could two years of social restrictions enhance being community minded and thinking of others???

EasternStandard · 29/06/2025 08:52

People did comply in the most part. Due to successful behaviour change messaging.

It was shite though to be under it so obviously most will bounce out of it and not want to continue being suppressed for a virus (that didn’t impact everyone that badly).

WhatNoRaisins · 29/06/2025 08:57

Even before COVID I've always noticed that regular and meaningful contact with others as part of a community makes me a better person when interacting with others. Feeling isolated from community makes me more selfish.

OntheBorder1 · 29/06/2025 08:57

ParmaViolletts · 28/06/2025 13:00

@JustASmallBear that's very noble to wear a mask.

I'm not in the UK and often see people in the supermarket or out and about wearing a mask. Before Covid the only people who wore masks were Asian, but there seems to have been a shift since then.

Orangeandpurpletulips · 29/06/2025 09:06

BogRollBOGOF · 29/06/2025 08:40

How on earth could two years of social restrictions enhance being community minded and thinking of others???

I will say that the period made me even more invested in my immediate community and loved ones. However, much of that is because I live in a community where people stopped strict adherence very early, and also in my family we decided that our children and relationships would not be collateral. It was like we were looking out for ourselves, but I was lucky to have a wider 'us' and 'we' than most.

That was a real privilege though. Which is ironic because the area is... not usually viewed as such!

PollyBell · 29/06/2025 09:10

Why would the idea it would make anything better be an idea in the first place? I never assumed it would do anything, I dont get the idea of making a blanket statement about a collective group of people then acting surprised they don't do what you have decided

People dont all have the one controllable brain

TheNuthatch · 29/06/2025 09:14

Lifesd · 29/06/2025 07:29

Things have got significantly worse in the Uk and I think the pandemic created a lot of additional problems and since then there has been what I can only describe as a stagnant decline on the streets. People have become less tolerant and more selfish - and angrier. I think people realise they were sold a lie by the Government during the pandemic.

We became more divided because there was a certain element who revelled in it - working from and ordering in their Amazon deliveries not really worrying about the people in supermarkets and other jobs which couldn’t be done from home. WFH has also contributed to a decline in city centres, shops and services going out of business because there is not the foot traffic.

It fucked the NHS even more, it has screwed over generations of kids who lost out academically and socially and we paid for millions to sit idle on furlough which gave a lot of people the taste for benefits which has resulted in part of the problems we have with benefits now.

💯 this.
Not everyone spent the lockdowns sat at home on furlough, banging pans and perfecting their sourdough.
I was on building sites with no social distancing, sharing fingerprint scanners with dozens of others. I then went home to my dc and we were not allowed to sit on a park bench when out for our permitted 1 hour of outdoor excercise. The rules felt ridiculous to me, and the effects will be felt for decades.

JacquesHarlow · 29/06/2025 09:15

Orangeandpurpletulips · 28/06/2025 16:11

A cultural expectation of mask wearing, which is what would happen if it caught on sufficiently, fucks over people who struggle to wear them. This is neither smart nor considerate. It's not morally better to prioritise people who benefit from more mask wearing than it is to prioritise those who are fucked over by it, or vice versa. It's simply a personal preference.

Also not a great idea to make it public business what other people wear on their faces. That's one reason people now think they're entitled to comment on someone else's personal choice to wear a mask. That sort of attitude, once switched on, doesn't necessarily switch off when we want it to. Naturally, the sort of people who think it's their business what other people wear on their faces are more likely to focus on the easier targets.

So let me get this right @Orangeandpurpletulips

A cultural expectation of mask wearing, which is what would happen if it caught on sufficiently, fucks over people who struggle to wear them.

So you would rather that more people caught colds and flu, to make up for your social discomfort in being expected to wear a mask?

yeah that kind of sums up to me the weirdness of this country I was born in and live in.

Helpmeplease2025 · 29/06/2025 09:21

2025 and people are still arguing about masks.

JacquesHarlow · 29/06/2025 09:28

Helpmeplease2025 · 29/06/2025 09:21

2025 and people are still arguing about masks.

What Covid reminded me about a lot of British people (yes I am British) is how absolutely obstinate we are.

We have a teenage mentality to public life. We want to rebel against anything that looks like being asked to confirm. We are waiting for our politicians to fail us so we can blame everything on them in a fit of anger, and not have to make our own good choices.

It is also reflected in our newspapers, which instead of having a good clear debate about an issue, is instead looking for the salacious stuff, the sensational, and then to tell it in a childlike and provocative way to evoke as much emotion as possible.

It is why we will FOREVER have people on here saying how they couldn't see their aunt so they will forever despise the vaccine takers and mask wearers because they went along with the regime that enforced lockdowns.

So much of Britain is a venal society.

Natalie HAS to have enough money for her two holidays a year, and her Kia Sportage at £350 / month so that Evie-Mae can get to her "activities".

Anything which gets in the way of that is considered an abrogation of human rights.

Orangeandpurpletulips · 29/06/2025 09:33

JacquesHarlow · 29/06/2025 09:15

So let me get this right @Orangeandpurpletulips

A cultural expectation of mask wearing, which is what would happen if it caught on sufficiently, fucks over people who struggle to wear them.

So you would rather that more people caught colds and flu, to make up for your social discomfort in being expected to wear a mask?

yeah that kind of sums up to me the weirdness of this country I was born in and live in.

Your post is a potent combination of supercilious and stupid.

The first point to make is that I'm not talking about myself, which is why there was no 'I' in that sentence. This is because I'm not one of those who'd be fucked over. Mask wearing was never a problem for me. Also if it had been, I'd have been fine to fuck it off with impunity, because I'm not the sort of easy target that mask bullies liked to have a go at during the pandemic. I also don't have a chronic condition that makes me cough, so nobody would be entitled enough to think I should wear a mask basically all the time in public to make them feel better. But such people exist, even though you don't think they're worth mentioning.

Naturally, the total lack of fucks you give about any of the people who would struggle with means the attempt at the moral high ground is laughable. As I said, you're not morally better for prioritising one group over others. Don't delude yourself.

CaptainFuture · 29/06/2025 09:33

JacquesHarlow · 29/06/2025 09:15

So let me get this right @Orangeandpurpletulips

A cultural expectation of mask wearing, which is what would happen if it caught on sufficiently, fucks over people who struggle to wear them.

So you would rather that more people caught colds and flu, to make up for your social discomfort in being expected to wear a mask?

yeah that kind of sums up to me the weirdness of this country I was born in and live in.

I think as long as @Orangeandpurpletulips isn't doing as was oft seen on here "I can't wear a mask, but everyone else needs to, to protect ME!" that's fine.

Orangeandpurpletulips · 29/06/2025 09:43

CaptainFuture · 29/06/2025 09:33

I think as long as @Orangeandpurpletulips isn't doing as was oft seen on here "I can't wear a mask, but everyone else needs to, to protect ME!" that's fine.

Not to worry, not only did I observe all mask rules for the whole of the period, I also wasn't one of those who decided that what other people had on their faces was my business!

Pretty thick of @JacquesHarlow to presume I was talking about myself there really, but it says a lot when someone thinks the only way anyone could have a concern about people with a particular vulnerability if they happen to be one of them.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2025 09:44

JacquesHarlow · 29/06/2025 09:15

So let me get this right @Orangeandpurpletulips

A cultural expectation of mask wearing, which is what would happen if it caught on sufficiently, fucks over people who struggle to wear them.

So you would rather that more people caught colds and flu, to make up for your social discomfort in being expected to wear a mask?

yeah that kind of sums up to me the weirdness of this country I was born in and live in.

This is an odd response tbf.

ExpertArchFormat · 29/06/2025 10:20

I think it's because those people who went along with solidarity, community and the Greater Good realised after a time that they had been totally exploited, shafted and despised by the cynical individualist profiteers, and they will not be so fooled again

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