Miss Me- getting boring?

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Really enjoyed the podcast Miss Me -at the beginning. Both felt humble, authentic and honest. Really like the disparity of Miquita's positive have a go spirit and Lily's glamour and reverence in luxury and culture. Both seemed to of gone through a lot. Particularly Miquita-Trying to keep a media career going, having a go at lots of different things. Honest in how her career and subsequent mental health took a dive which is so common for creative Londoners in their 30s. Paticuraly for those who came of age after the post 2009 crash. Lily Allen contended upper middle class, New York, edges of Hollywood life we could live precariously through. It felt fresh fun and an insider view of media life in London , New York. Now it just seems, like they have both become over confident with their success. Lily seems more rude and mean at times to Miquita. Miquita going on and on about what a cool teenager she was, always going on about the noughties, but under-confident with their original format. I enjoyed that they were trying to feel intellectually around their subject including their differing lived and shared experiences. Although they were no experts it was refreshing to hear a show where people were genuinely curious and not trying to dumb everything down all of the time, while talking about current affairs and pop culture.

so common for creative Londoners in their 30s

Well that sentence just made me snort coffee out of my nose.

Agree. I used to listen religiously but I am really behind on the episodes now. I am from West London and grew up in the same area as Miquita as Lily. I'm also the same age and even I find the constant references to the London of times gone by a bit boring so I don't know how other people are connecting with it. Lily has always tried to get one over on Miquita but recently it feels like they repeat the same things a lot or the can't be bothered to give considered answers to the LB questions and so run out of steam and just shout 'next question please' or 'time for a break'

Tbh honest I listened for about 6 months and stopped. It was very samey. There was an episode where they discussed what others think of you, during the pod Lily randomly answered her phone. It was her (ex) husband David, she then asked him about his view of her. He gave this clearly rehearsed speech and they ended the call. It was so contrived .

Yes I still listen to them religiously, that's why I'm slightly annoyed- it feels like its lost it's energy. I think where it went downhill is after they started recording live on Youtube. So it felt much more like a boring pop tv show rather than a slightly tongue and cheek show aimed at young and middle aged women.
Also Miquita used to lead the format more. She used to frame it with her research. Although sometimes slightly off kilter, knowledge from wikipedia etc.. I actually really enjoyed the random facts, when she would go off on a visit to The National Gallery , or meander around favourite charity shops. It actually felt authentic and real. As this is what living in London as a early middle aged person is like! I like that her parents rans club/ festival pubs for and frequented by glamorous famous friends. I like that she felt poor and disjointed as she was surrounded by opportunity and extreme wealth but also ordinariness. I think that this was an unusual upbringing but not so unusual for Londoners growing up in the 90s. I moved to London as a teenager and have seen London change immensely. My daughter who is 17 can relate to this as well. Obviously Miquita had the incredible opportunity of a kids presenting gig at 15. But her 'career' downfall during most of her adult life is also interesting. As fallow periods of media workers does not get talked about. Now with recent episodes it just seems centred on how good Lily Allen looks, what they are wearing. Lily Allen talking about The Fear. How she loves Sabrina Carpenter. How she stops Miquita talking anything other than trash. How she think Miquita is dick. The last episode she seemed to actually hate her- it was weird. To be honest Lily Allen comes across extremely well educated, and bright, and insightful, (always adding something clever to Miquita's points), but she aways brings it back to her, and always trying to dumb it down for the audience. Her downfall is that she now comes across as incredibly conceited and absolutely anti intellectual. Like she thinks being anti-education, makes her appear less posh, more likeable. Like some female slightly lefty version of some privately educated football bore of the 90s... Keith Allen anyone..the way she mocks Miquita having an opinion or trying to share her research, It's as if only privately educated, high iq Lily Allen is allowed to have an opinion. Really like the middle aged New York Lily. Who seemed interested in making music and art as well as pop, who was interested in food, and friends more than plastic surgery. Who was happy to talk about Theatre and books and art. This actually felt way more honest.

I really liked how Lily Allen came across in her autobiography but in real life she’s very defensive/abrasive.

Lilly Humble?! 🤣🤣🤣

You do realise she didn’t write that

I assumed not but it’s still her life and views. Although I suppose a decent ghost writer could polish it up if needed.

Just listened to 5 minutes of this pod on YouTube, insufferable.

Totally off topic but is 41 really middle aged?

@LittleCosette Yes, maybe. What do you think? I think 41 is very early early middle age. No, not old at all, still young- it's debatable perhaps I think 40 -60 you are middle-aged. Ie in the middle part of your life. Technically this probably starts at 38!!! I'm mid-40s - I'm not ashamed to say middle-aged.

I suppose it's how you look at it. I preferred to see myself as the baby of a demographic 40-60, I could grow into, then the oldest of a demographic I had to leave soon.

But hey I like this age, most still have the same or similar health as my 20s, but I lived a real grown-up life, know who I am. Can see through a lot of bullshit trends, learnt to live in my head.

What is great to see, which I did not have when I was growing up, (where the format was often very young women paired with middle-aged men), there are so many TV women and female presenters at the top of their game- allowed to grow and flourish into middle-aged. Davina Mcall, Fiona Bruce, Fearne Cotton etc...

It's self indulgent waffle as a pp said insufferable ! It's probably not as good because they have run out of things to say about themselves.

I am still listening regularly but have felt the same the last few weeks. I love Miquita but am struggling with Lily and think she is often quite mean to Miquita.

I'm sick to death about hearing about Cousin Phoebe.
Also, Miquita needs to realise that there is life outside of her pocket of London. There is no curiosity about the rest of the country at all. It's quite weird. And alienating.

Cousin phoebe is probably who Maquita was supposed to be if she could be bothered!

@Jessica167353 I agree- I wouldn't mind hearing more about Phoebe. But not just 'cousin Phoebe likes this', 'yes, like cousin Phoebe'.
Who is cousin Phoebe? Doesn't she live outside London.
More texture in what Phoebe thinks about, and who she is would be great. How is she related to Miquita- is she her 'real' cousin.. I still like Miquita, but the Miquita who shines, sweet, curious fun cultured Miquita, seems pulled down by Lily's insitance -trying to be teenage, 'relevant' Miquita- so, so dated and boring. This isn't helped that Lily is pulling her up on everything she says, and Miquita has understandably lost her confidence. In some places, she seems lost for words with Lily's petulance and weird bully-lite, performance.

I’m the same age as them and was working in the industry in their heyday. They were both absolutely insufferable - stroppy, demanding, rude - the fact they’ve now found each other to rehash their glory days does not surprise me one bit.

Yes, I agree. In the beginning Miquita sounded like she had grown up, softer more empathetic of the two. Although as the show became more successful, the younger more obnoxious incarnation seemed to sneak out. She did start going on- 'how she hates hangers-on..' Speaking like a horrid queen bee 12 year old.. Lily seems more mean and weird, only interested in- herself and her context of pop culture. I wish they would go back to being themselves and not just reliving the "glory' days.

I guess it’s quite difficult as their has been a general shift to people completing milestones such as marriage later in life which suggests people are youthful for longer but I think of middle ages as late 50s/early 60s.

Yes, I agree- things have changed so much, we're living longer as well- although not necessarily in good health. I suppose anyway you look at it 50s and 60s is part of middle age or even later middle age. 40-50 debatable- depending on how you look at it.
Although I do feel different than colleagues in their 20-30. I like them and get on with them, I share many of the same interests, but they're experiencing things I experienced 20 or even 30 years ago. I feel weirdly (and probably misplaced) proud of being middle-aged.

Most recent episode makes reference to Lily being mean to Miquita and also mentions mumsnet!

I’ve recently unfollowed the show. I am their age yet it feels like they are stuck in teen mentality. I got bored of the dynamic of Lily shooting Miquita down every time she disagreed with her and even more frustrated that Miquita would shift or dilute her opinion to appease her. I can almost picture Miquita’s face falling each time. I hope she reaches the point soon that she doesn’t need Lily’s approval. Lily plays on this I think to boost her own insecurities. I like their humour and Miquitas warmth and Lily’s openness but to me they are very young emotionally and not quite as deep as they’d like to think.

Yes I agree they really are not that deep.