To think kids aren’t the centre of the universe and shouldn’t be treated like they are?

[BeSnappyBird]

Your child being tired isn’t a reason to ruin the restaurant for everyone else.

As with most things in life...
There's a middle ground.

You probably need to expand on that a little………

Your title and your content are not the same thing.

Think I'm going to agree with this in principle but more detail needed.....

Ok

That's a pretty passive-aggressive title for a post that's all conclusion and no story.

Yes I think one of the major disservices we do children in these times is centre them all the time.

Im not really talking about restaurants etc.

I have a sneaky suspicion it’s the OP who might need to accept they aren’t the centre of attention and their comfort and enjoyment isn’t an absolute priority.

Exactly.

OP definitely has kids then, eh? 🤣

The kid next door to us has Little Prince syndrome to the point where the parents can’t even have a conversation between themselves or with anyone else without him shutting it down. He’s 7

You feeling a bit hot and grouchy OP? Try having an ice cream and a nap. Sure things'll look better then.

you should have taken your child out the minute it started disturbing the dining guests.

Who should?

On the whole, I agree.

Yes. Maybe. Or not. Difficult to say.

They are the centre of my universe.

When my children were young, and I used to have conversations with my friends it was perfectly acceptable to tell the child to go and play or say "I'm talking, stop interrupting". But nowadays children just interrupt adults' conversations without even an apology and never get told off for it. It's like parents truly believe children are the most important thing on the planet and must be pandered to immediately.

Paying customers have equal right to enjoy the restaurant irrespective of their age. You may want to be more specific 🤷‍♀️

Yes!

Mine too, for me. It's a rough old world out there that soon knocks your corners off. If you're going to survive at all you need at least one person who is always on your side.

I agree with the title but your post lacks a hell of a lot of context!

I keep seeing posts on MN that are along the lines of “my 6yo DS is acting really spoiled and bratty - I’ve explained to him carefully why this is not acceptable but he keeps doing it, what shall I do?”

Cue a load of responses like

Hes only 6, he can’t handle his emotions yet
Explain to him MORE clearly and MORE calmly the issue

And a load of other pandering nonsense and I’m sat there thinking “just tell him off!!”

As other posters have said, v little to go on in your post. No of course kids shouldn’t be taught they’re the centre of the universe, they’ll grow up to be arrogant A holes. But young children have very different needs to adults and a young child being tired in a restaurant is going to make them act out, they can’t just suck it up and deal with it like adults can, they simply haven’t learnt the skills yet. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure they get enough sleep and not to take them to restaurants if they’re very tired. Do you have kids?

God yes, this. My stepson is a product of so-called gentle parenting and all its done is raised a self absorbed, entitled, lazy young man. I used to think I was a bit too strict when mine were young but the difference is like night and day now!

Oh dear, heat getting to you? Maybe it's also getting to the child you are referring to? Maybe it's parents weee out to celebrate a birthday. Maybe they don't go out much and decided to treat themselves. Maybe they've done it before and the baby was fine and they are surprised ? Maybe if you don't like noise and kids you should book dinner instead of lunch? Especially in the hot weather when kids are likely to be grouchy, hot and bothered.

Yes. Of course. But not of mine, or of anyone else in the restaurant. Also, what's with dragging miserable grumpy toddlers round IKEA or other big shops late in the evening? Of course "he's tired". HE SHOULD BE ASLEEP IN BED, not in a massively overstimulating environment lit with daylight bulbs!