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… to think that the world (and well-being of women and children) is in the hands of old men

52 replies

Mistressofpemberly · 19/06/2025 06:31

Looking at the news with pictures of Netanyahu, Trump with his MAGA hat on, Putin and the Ayatollah. The world is in a precarious position and, as usual, it is the innocents that suffer.
We seem to be going down a rabbit hole led by mysogynistic old men. I find it galling that aggression and mysogyny seem to float to the top of the leadership heap. Aibu?

OP posts:
helpfulperson · 19/06/2025 08:44

ExercicenformedeZ · 19/06/2025 08:32

This is nonsense. What on earth can ordinary people do? People do protest and it makes not a blind bit of difference.

They can get involved in politics at a local level, be part of the change in parties that they want to see. I accept that it is much easier if you have money to become, for example, a party candidate at elections but by being involved locally you can influence who stands for your local party and make your view heard. MP's etc are 'ordinary people'. Our local Labour MP used to be a teacher in our local schools. He has no other source of money (unless he is keeping big secrets)

MushMonster · 19/06/2025 08:54

Protests and initiatives are tools too. I do not mean on street protests, in Stop Oil fashion. Those are useless. These days we can start online petitions and force Parliament to discuss a topic. It shows the government which way the electorate actually leans to. Initiatives like the school dinners in summer, started by the footballer.
I think the investigation into the grooming gangs has only happened due to public pressure indeed.
There are some ways.

LoztWorld · 19/06/2025 10:17

helpfulperson · 19/06/2025 08:44

They can get involved in politics at a local level, be part of the change in parties that they want to see. I accept that it is much easier if you have money to become, for example, a party candidate at elections but by being involved locally you can influence who stands for your local party and make your view heard. MP's etc are 'ordinary people'. Our local Labour MP used to be a teacher in our local schools. He has no other source of money (unless he is keeping big secrets)

Okay so what can people do RIGHT NOW to stop us being dragged into this war? Practically what can we do? This isn’t something anyone could really have foreseen and gone into local
politics years ago to stop 🙄 Few expected Israel to actually start an all-out war with Iran until it happened.

Realistically only labour, the tories and now reform are ever likely to run this country, and all three of those want to plough more and more money into weapons/defence at the expense of the services that actually matter. So how exactly do we make ourselves heard at the ballot box on this issue?

An online petition wont do anything. The leadership of many world superpowers have been agitating for war for years now. They want this.

Mistressofpemberly · 19/06/2025 11:08

thank you. I agree with so many of the comments here.

the fact that Trump and Netanyahu were democratically elected doesn’t exclude them being crazy megalomaniacs. Just question the thoughts of those who voted them in. Trump used religion,”othering” and fear to get voted in. Now he’s manipulating the rhetoric even more and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stays in. If we are all still around then.

OP posts:
Iloveflapjack1 · 19/06/2025 11:28

I think the question is a mix of the individuals in question but also the structures that led them to the position they're in. The structures are varied and quite different in the case of the examples listed IMO.

ExpressCheckout · 19/06/2025 11:45

Unfortunately there are a lot of women muppets who voted for Brexit, Johnson et al, or who will vote for Reform, Nigel Farage or the utterly vile and morally dubious Lee Anderson.

So, yes, they are older men. They are not all men, though.

So, next election you will have a choice. If you don't want women, the poor, or anyone of colour to be sh*t upon, then you shouldn't vote for Reform, Farage, Lee Anderson et al.

Whatafustercluck · 19/06/2025 11:50

SarfLondonLad · 19/06/2025 07:36

And it's not just the rulers. Have you seen the age of the Democratic leadership in the US! Not just the men either. Nancy Pelosi is closer to 90 than not!

Edited

Go easy on the ageism, eh? If more male leaders were like David Attenborough, for example, the world would be a more pleasant place.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/06/2025 12:14

Well, the UK has Keir Starmer. I hope he keeps us out of it.

Not our circus, not our crazy, warmongering, right wing monkeys.🎪🦧

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 12:17

You’re not wrong OP.

I suspect t if if were women in these powerful positions the world would be a much nicer place.

Sadly women’s rights are abysmal in many countries and even in the US, some men think they can dictate to women about pregnancy choices so what hope is there?!

schnubbins · 19/06/2025 12:37

Look at the whole continent of Africa from top to bottom,It's run by a bunch of tribalist old men , busy filling their coffers and foreign bank accounts since the year dot.They are never taken to task and one dies the next one takes their place .Meanwhile the women and children suffer If it were not for the women the continent would be in an even worse state .Every single one of these dictators and their families should be called out , sanctioned and isolated but no they tolerate it in order to rob the continent of its natural minerals and so fill the pockets of these dictators and pseudo leaders even more .

Mrsbloggz · 19/06/2025 12:41

Men are more dominant are more driven to seek status and they tend to push harder, that's part of why.
Very broadly speaking humans have a tendancy to unthinkingly align themselves with whoever has the most power, the less educated they are the more this will tend to be the case.

MushMonster · 19/06/2025 12:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/06/2025 12:14

Well, the UK has Keir Starmer. I hope he keeps us out of it.

Not our circus, not our crazy, warmongering, right wing monkeys.🎪🦧

Exactly!
I am rather confident that the majority of UK residents do not wish to engage in this war. So we need to make it clear to the stablishment.
It is really the only thing we can do.

lovingtheweather25 · 19/06/2025 13:07

This reminds me of book I read a while ago called 'It’s a (wo)mans world', where women were in charge of the world. I think it was meant to be a dystopia, but I found I couldn’t really bring myself to care that much about how men were being treated…it had an interesting twist at the end (which I won’t spoil here in case anyone reads it!).

ExercicenformedeZ · 19/06/2025 13:40

helpfulperson · 19/06/2025 08:44

They can get involved in politics at a local level, be part of the change in parties that they want to see. I accept that it is much easier if you have money to become, for example, a party candidate at elections but by being involved locally you can influence who stands for your local party and make your view heard. MP's etc are 'ordinary people'. Our local Labour MP used to be a teacher in our local schools. He has no other source of money (unless he is keeping big secrets)

Yes, but awful things are still going on. It is naive in the extreme to think that we in the UK can influence what goes on in the rest of the world. We can't. We can to an extent influence what happens to us, and that's alll I have the bandwith to focus on anyway.

MushMonster · 19/06/2025 16:29

@ExercicenformedeZ yes, we cannot control the rest of the world, but surely we can at least have a say to whether we want some of those horrible things spreading to UK or we want UK getting involved.
Can the UK government now start the revision on abortion law that is going on in US, without it being part of their manifesto? They should not, UK citizens do not seem to have any appetite for a copy/ cut of what is going in US. Actually, UK is going in the opposite direction.
We cannot control everything a government does, but we can surely express what we think in a public way and then vote them out if needed.
Do you remember Boris and the bus with the 300 million for the NHS? Well, it took a while for him to be forced to face that it was a lie, but at the end it happened. If we stay silent, then he would still be PM.

Oodlesof · 19/06/2025 17:06

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 12:17

You’re not wrong OP.

I suspect t if if were women in these powerful positions the world would be a much nicer place.

Sadly women’s rights are abysmal in many countries and even in the US, some men think they can dictate to women about pregnancy choices so what hope is there?!

There would be a massive argument every 28 days.

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 17:10

Oodlesof · 19/06/2025 17:06

There would be a massive argument every 28 days.

I was looking for the 😂 emoji but remembered it was removed

Persephoknee · 19/06/2025 17:11

Man bashing is crass, really. Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher didn’t save the world and Kamala Harris was a half wit.
The ageism is crass too.

MushMonster · 19/06/2025 17:11

Men do still believe indeed that there would be an argument every 28 days! Or every 14, depending in how hormones work.....

Oodlesof · 19/06/2025 17:14

Persephoknee · 19/06/2025 17:11

Man bashing is crass, really. Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher didn’t save the world and Kamala Harris was a half wit.
The ageism is crass too.

You missed out Liz Truss.

tuvamoodyson · 19/06/2025 17:19

Oodlesof · 19/06/2025 17:06

There would be a massive argument every 28 days.

Then we’d have ‘peri’ to contend with…

DryDay · 19/06/2025 17:21

Chiseltip · 19/06/2025 07:09

The words is "in the hands" of people who remain silent.

We all see.things we don't agree with, but we do nothing, either because we don't want to cause offence or because we are too lazy.

The "old men" are not the problem.

Try telling this to the women in Afghanistan.

coxesorangepippin · 19/06/2025 19:36

Yup.

All old. All white. All misogynist.

Whammyyammy · 19/06/2025 19:55

Totally agree. Even worse it's men like Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and even worse Keir Starmer.
Imagine a world where women could lead. No dick swinging or measuring contests.

Chiseltip · 21/06/2025 09:50

DryDay · 19/06/2025 17:21

Try telling this to the women in Afghanistan.

🙄

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