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In light of Montessori carer found guilty today of cruelty to think cctv should be in all nurseries

36 replies

Sunshineandoranges · 16/06/2025 16:07

I just read about the ongoing cruelty of the Montessori nurse convicted today. I realise that any recording of children has to be kept away from paedophiles but would it be safer to have ongoing recording of little children to be reviewed by managers weekly to check what’s going on. The mums and dads of those little children will be heartbroken and the poor little kids didn’t deserve to be abused. Has she been on cctv, this abuser would have been stopped much sooner.

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MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 21:48

Thatsalineallright · 16/06/2025 18:44

Except children have nappy changes etc.

Yes, I said in an earlier post you wouldn't want it in changing areas.

MidnightPatrol · 16/06/2025 21:49

I’m just amazed it was possible, given the level of staffing with children of this age.

It raises broader questions about the level of care / interest at these nurseries.

And tbh of course all nurseries should be top notch, but this one is part of a well known education group with prep schools targeted at wealthy people… and this suggests their ‘offer’ is absolute crap really doesn’t it.

MandarinCat · 16/06/2025 21:51

legoplaybook · 16/06/2025 19:58

Where does it end though?
Nursery staff and children have to accept being viewable by essentially anyone (nursery parents and any friends or family they give the details to)
should we have CCTV in every classroom and care home too and just make it all publicly viewable at all times?

No, not in classrooms as the kids aren't non verbal.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 16/06/2025 21:52

Yanbu, I'm surprised it isnt already. Cctv should be mandatory for all people who cant advocate for themselves 🥺

Maybemummyfet · 16/06/2025 21:54

I worked at a pre school years ago and had to report the manager on 2 occasions. The first was because she was neglecting a child with severe ASD and making her distressed and then she had a disagreement with a different parent and made a malicious report about witnessing them harming the child and also other serious allegations. The parent had a full CP investigation and was traumatised I reported and it was investigated but nothing was done, the manager was then out of control and just hateful to parents and children that in the end the pre school had to shut as they only had about 4 children left and couldn’t carry on .

Mysterian · 16/06/2025 22:17

CCTV that parents can log on and watch?
Firstly, is it going to be more secure than top secret government sites that get hacked constantly? No.
Secondly, we've had many parents (Dads) that female members of staff say "talk to their chests" on handovers. How can we be sure that they're not logging on to wank at the sight of young staff bending over or whatever?

Lots of dodgy staff are out there looking after children because there just aren't enough good ones to go round. We need more staff!

Poopeepoopee · 16/06/2025 22:26

It's a good job they managed to stop her - if she'd have carried on, god knows what she would have done.

Be interesting to see what sentence she gets.

Ketzele · 16/06/2025 22:33

This was local to me, so a lot of coverage. I feel sorry for the nursery, and it's important to note that it was colleagues who reported her. It was a well-regarded nursery, and I don't think we should assume other staff were negligent. It sounds as though a lot of the abuse was tiny movements that could easily be missed by others - scratching and pinching etc.

I don't know about CCTV. It's useful evidence but it doesn't address the core problems, does it? My youngest and her GCSE-dodging mates are currently all being pushed towards childcare and elderly care, as the favoured destinations for 'girls who can't do anything else' . Don't get me started on the ways our society has disemboweled life opportunities for non-academic kids, but it is such a disaster for our caring services to staff them with badly-paid youngsters.

My eldest went to an inner city Montessori which was safe and non-plastic and so, so cold ("your daughter has been doing interesting work today with lentils and a spoon, Mrs Ketzele"). My youngest was lucky to go to a local pre-school that was actually set up in the 70s as a feminist project to support working mothers. It was a bit ramshackle but all the staff were middle-aged, it had long roots in the local community and was deeply loved. No pretensions, no fancy facilities, no interest in bestowing early academic advantage, no teenagers.

You can't just magic places like that up - there are reasons why it could work and not go bankrupt (mainly, I think,because the staff had often been mums there themselves, and also because it's an affluent area so I'm guessing many could cope with low pay and worked there for the love of it). And yes, they could also have got unlucky with a staff member, as did the nursery down the road. But I think older, experienced staff are much more of an obstacle to a potential abuser.

MNdrama · 17/06/2025 06:29

YANBU re. the title

However, YABU saying things like "I realise that any recording of children has to be kept away from paedophiles..."

Ridiculous comment. Probably time to stop reading Facebook and the Daily Mail

user101101 · 17/06/2025 10:22

i don’t think it’s the answer really. There are always blind spots you can hide in, all you’ll get is a false sense of security

who will fund them? I was fortunate enough to have an excellent nursery, but spare money wasn’t something they had. They put it into great staff

TempestTost · 17/06/2025 10:42

What others have said I agree with, but honestly I just don't think I could stand to work being watched all day.

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