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Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 22:36

MistressoftheDarkSide · 15/06/2025 22:16

Also want to say pensioners are not a homogenous group in favour of Reform. DF who went in April was spitting feathers about all parties, especially Reform, when he shuffled off the mortal coul in April. Most average pensioners I know are aghast at the state of the world and our current successive governments.

Sure, some of the well heeled might be veering to the right, but it's more a money issue than anything else.

The rest remember some of WW2 from their childhood, and grew up with their parents recollections, male relatives who made it back from conscription and instilled a "never again please God" mentality in them, also female relatives who had to "make do and mend" and taught appreciation and frugality because that's how they survived.

Even my generation, (I'm 56) probably absorbed far more than we realise from values passed on by stories from our grandparents of the war, they were living recent history lessons. I was very influenced.

My Dad died outraged that apparently all that was for naught, and I'm kind of glad it was in April because if he hadn't gone then, this might have finished him off. Ex Navy, a nuclear test veteran, he felt shafted in so many ways due to his own peace time experiences and treatment by the state.

So, just to reassure, NAPALT.

My dad was a printer. He's was a shop steward in the union I remember him being on strike to fight for better working conditions and wages. His dad and grandfather both served in the WW2. He can't bare to watch the news anymore he's completely disengaged from political discussions he's actually quite depressed.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 15/06/2025 22:37

I am often accused of being naive and idealistic because I balk against acceptance of the patently unacceptable, such as growing inequality of opportunity or marginalisation or dehumanisation of groups of people, which now seems to be based on economic usefulness above all else. And maybe I am those things, but I can't shake the feeling that so many problems could easily be solved if it wasn't for greed.

JackdawCrow · 15/06/2025 22:37

It isn't just you. The news is awful. In personal life, people behave in a completely selfish way. It is depressing and as a previous poster said it feels as if you have little control. As someone once said 'Hell is other people ' or something like that!

Itsafable · 15/06/2025 22:52

MistressoftheDarkSide · 15/06/2025 20:35

You're not alone OP. And I'm even finding it spilling out into my personal life with people behaving in bizarre and extreme ways with very tricky to navigate consequences.

Currently not sure if the end of the world is coming via nuclear options or collective nervous breakdown.

So my poison of choice is a Bailey's infused milk shake - chin chin.

Ooh I've got (rumiges around) Nesquick powder,milk and some questionable whether has expired Bailey's. I'll join you. Down the hatch.

Waitingfordoggo · 15/06/2025 22:54

@Icecreamhelps oh I realise it’s a tiny drop in a huge ocean. But it makes me feel better so I guess it’s like a placebo. If I can’t help, I can at least try and reduce harm in the tiniest way.

PosiePetal · 15/06/2025 22:56

It’s no different to how it’s always been , it’s actually been far worse. You don’t need to leave the planet just stop reading the news (or be choosy over which newspaper publications you do read).

Disturbia81 · 15/06/2025 22:57

I stopped reading the news but still get people telling me stuff or news articles I don’t follow on fb. Feel like I’d have to be an internetless hermit to truly feel free. Because posters are right, it will always be happening.. doom scrolling really affects our mental health.

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 22:57

DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 20:19

...I'm watching the news. It's all crazy. Trump, the Ukraine, Israel... even Mumsnet is full of madness lately. I wish I could move somewhere where everyone can just live quietly and in peace without all the nonsense and psychopathic narcissists that rule the planet right now. But that would probably have to involve me literally moving to another planet. And even then, DH reminded me just now that I'd have to rely on the likes of Musk, or the USA or Russia to get me out of here and off to mars! So I can't escape this crazy world or the nasty people that run it, even if life on another planet was possible.

Anyone else just feel like the world's gone mad, they are completely helpless to do anything about it, and to want to just find a way to escape it?

I would have put Gaza on top of the list there.

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Heyho

Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:00

Waitingfordoggo · 15/06/2025 22:54

@Icecreamhelps oh I realise it’s a tiny drop in a huge ocean. But it makes me feel better so I guess it’s like a placebo. If I can’t help, I can at least try and reduce harm in the tiniest way.

I completely understand. I think if more people thought the way we did then we might make a difference. I just feel like I've been wasting my time when all around me don't care.

5128gap · 15/06/2025 23:06

One of the best ways I've found of letting go the things I can't control and the fights that are not within my power, is to focus on the things that are. You can't influence what goes on on the world stage, but there are lots of smaller causes worth fighting for where you could make a difference. Injustice and behaviour that hurts people happens in little ways as well as the big ways. So do what you can where you can. It's a distraction from the worry and a positive outlet for your feelings.

Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:10

TheaBrandt1 · 15/06/2025 21:15

Humans can also be incredibly brave and kind. A relative gave his life for other in WW2 as did many others. There are kindnesses everywhere day in day out.

I don't think the soldiers in WW1 or WW2 gave their lives out of kindness. Most were conscripted and terrified.

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DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:13

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 22:57

I would have put Gaza on top of the list there.

But

Heyho

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Yes. Not just you! Gaza is the primary issue for me and many of us. But there's a lot of other shit happening in the world too. Much of it connected and inter-related (Trump seems to be the.common.denominator and linked to pretty much all the shit, whether due to over-involvement or simply complete lack of any involvement or whether the direct cause!) I can't bare any of it. The helplessness and lack of control we have to experience seeing the suffering of the Palestinian people on a daily basis, is like nothing I've ever experienced before and I think kick-started my whole descent into wanting to exit this crazy world.

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Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:20

DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:13

Yes. Not just you! Gaza is the primary issue for me and many of us. But there's a lot of other shit happening in the world too. Much of it connected and inter-related (Trump seems to be the.common.denominator and linked to pretty much all the shit, whether due to over-involvement or simply complete lack of any involvement or whether the direct cause!) I can't bare any of it. The helplessness and lack of control we have to experience seeing the suffering of the Palestinian people on a daily basis, is like nothing I've ever experienced before and I think kick-started my whole descent into wanting to exit this crazy world.

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And that's the bind. We are all shown these atrocious acts on the news but we are powerless to change them.

TheaBrandt1 · 15/06/2025 23:21

My relative did. He had the chance to escape but chose not to. He couldn’t bear to leave his patients (he was a young doctor) and they couldn’t escape. So he died with them.

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DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:22

TheaBrandt1 · 15/06/2025 23:21

My relative did. He had the chance to escape but chose not to. He couldn’t bear to leave his patients (he was a young doctor) and they couldn’t escape. So he died with them.

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DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:23

Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:20

And that's the bind. We are all shown these atrocious acts on the news but we are powerless to change them.

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Yes. Agree completely

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Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:25

TheaBrandt1 · 15/06/2025 23:21

My relative did. He had the chance to escape but chose not to. He couldn’t bear to leave his patients (he was a young doctor) and they couldn’t escape. So he died with them.

Your relative was an honorable and brave person. I'm so sorry for your loss.

Lilymay1991 · 15/06/2025 23:28

No you’re right op, it’s awful but always has been. It’s not gone mad, it’s always been mad, people have always been awful to each other. it’s just we now know what’s going on everywhere all the time unfortunately, thanks to the internet. There’s no getting away from it.
It’s better just to not watch the news, try to avoid nasty people as much as you can and just keep your head down 😂
As I’ve just put on another post, even the people on here are awful, just threads with women tearing each other apart.
I guess just think of the positives to get you though, don’t worry about what you can’t control, focus on how lucky we are, we have food, water, family, we can leave the house etc 🤷🏻‍♀️ x

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 23:30

Yes. Not just you! Gaza is the primary issue for me and many of us. But there's a lot of other shit happening in the world too. Much of it connected and inter-related (Trump seems to be the.common.denominator and linked to pretty much all the shit, whether due to over-involvement or simply complete lack of any involvement or whether the direct cause!) I can't bare any of it. The helplessness and lack of control we have to experience seeing the suffering of the Palestinian people on a daily basis, is like nothing I've ever experienced before and I think kick-started my whole descent into wanting to exit this crazy world

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Just don't understand why Gaza would not be on there

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DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:35

hellohellooo · 15/06/2025 23:30

Yes. Not just you! Gaza is the primary issue for me and many of us. But there's a lot of other shit happening in the world too. Much of it connected and inter-related (Trump seems to be the.common.denominator and linked to pretty much all the shit, whether due to over-involvement or simply complete lack of any involvement or whether the direct cause!) I can't bare any of it. The helplessness and lack of control we have to experience seeing the suffering of the Palestinian people on a daily basis, is like nothing I've ever experienced before and I think kick-started my whole descent into wanting to exit this crazy world

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Just don't understand why Gaza would not be on there

Well, when I said 'Israel' I kind of meant Netenyahu and the IDF's treatment of Gaza (and the west bank) as well as the shit kicking off in Iran. I guess I didn't specifically spell out gaza because I've already ranted about the injustice of the plight of the Palestinian people on another thread today, and to be honest, I feel so helpless and disillusioned about what's happening in Gaza that I am not sure at the time I made this thread tonight, I could face even spelling it out anymore.

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Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:35

Lilymay1991 · 15/06/2025 23:28

No you’re right op, it’s awful but always has been. It’s not gone mad, it’s always been mad, people have always been awful to each other. it’s just we now know what’s going on everywhere all the time unfortunately, thanks to the internet. There’s no getting away from it.
It’s better just to not watch the news, try to avoid nasty people as much as you can and just keep your head down 😂
As I’ve just put on another post, even the people on here are awful, just threads with women tearing each other apart.
I guess just think of the positives to get you though, don’t worry about what you can’t control, focus on how lucky we are, we have food, water, family, we can leave the house etc 🤷🏻‍♀️ x

I suppose we have to appreciate our lives are comfortable.But I understand the OP's point, it's hard to when so many other terrible atrocities are happening. What can we do? We could have all that comfort taken away who would fight for us?

RonniesBabyTee · 15/06/2025 23:38

DiscoBob · 15/06/2025 20:42

I can't watch the news but last night had a dream that there were bombs falling outside my house. And I was trapped in a building with a broken lift while skyscrapers fell before my eyes.

Sadly for some people that dream is a reality.

RIP and LIP all innocent victims of conflict. X

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Do you live or work in a building with lifts?

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DisillusionedWithTheWorld · 15/06/2025 23:48

Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:35

I suppose we have to appreciate our lives are comfortable.But I understand the OP's point, it's hard to when so many other terrible atrocities are happening. What can we do? We could have all that comfort taken away who would fight for us?

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I think our comfort lulls us into a false sense of security.

Ww2 wasn't that long ago. Yet we treat it like it was longer ago than it was, and a kind one-off (even though ww1 was just before it!!) that wouldn't happen again.

People (including me) feel so comfortable and assume we r safe in the UK. But it wasn't that long ago that we were actively being bombed and involved in a world war.

We may feel comfortable now, but we need to understand that we may not be comfortable forever and we are not as safe as we think. V sadly.

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juggleit · 15/06/2025 23:50

Waitingfordoggo · 15/06/2025 21:09

Yes. Humans are fundamentally greedy, lazy and selfish as a species and I do not have much hope for the continuation of our species. The pursuit of money and power has a lot to answer for. I came to this realisation a while ago, and I was devastated and highly anxious about it for some time.

Eventually I realised I have no control over any of it, and that living in a state of permanent anxiety is terrible for my health, so I thought about what I could do to reduce the fear, and these have become my strategies:

Keep in touch with the news but only once or twice a week, and a quick review of headlines, maybe read a few stories but avoid the temptation to go down rabbit holes or join in SM discussion of news stories.

Minimise my own capitalistic behaviours as much as possible (because so many of the world’s problems are caused by greed, overconsumption and inequality). Obviously it is impossible to opt out of capitalism entirely unless one goes completely off grid but I try to minimise it by only buying what I need- keeping my life as simple as possible in terms of belongings. Not coveting things. Not looking at pretty things on Instagram or in magazines (clothes etc) because none of that ‘stuff’ means anything or really makes people happy, and much of it involves unethical and unsustainable behaviour in producing and transporting goods around the world.

Spend as much time outside as possible. Be in nature and be in the moment- be thankful for whatever I can be thankful for in a given moment.

Exercise a lot. Lift weights. Do yoga. I can find headspace when I’m moving my body.

Watch ‘The Money Game Trilogy’ and ‘Dominoes’ by Ren (YouTube). Depressingly accurate about the human condition, but such extraordinary pieces of art that I can get lost in them and at least feel some relief in knowing that other people feel the same as I do.

Talk to people I meet when walking the dog, or at my local shops or bus stop. Not because I like small talk (I don’t), but because I recognise that these tiny little moments in day to day life are really enriching for communities, and the little idealist inside me hopes that one day, happy and productive communities will spread into bigger communities. Feeling connected in our local community is proven to be good for our mental health.

I work a few hours a week with the elderly which gives me an enormous sense of peace and contentment, and helps me get some perspective.

I spend a lot of time with my dog. spending time with an animal who loves you is wonderfully therapeutic (if you like animals).

I spend time with my lovely husband and kids. We are ok. I don’t know and can’t control who might declare war on whom next week or next year. But I felt contentment having dinner with my family this evening- being in that moment and appreciating how lucky we are.

These are all the things that keep me sane(ish).

Sorry for such a giant post.
Take care of yourselves all 💐

Fabulous advice shared here.
Living a simple life with gratitude as tomorrow is not given. Knowing what you are and are not responsible for is also great advice given to me.

If we really delve into the metrics, there never has, in general, been a better time to live. Also a good read to gain some perspective on the trajectory of society ‘Freakenomics’ some positive thought provoking data by a social economist. 🥂

Icecreamhelps · 15/06/2025 23:51

@DisillusionedWithTheWorld your post resonates with how I feel. All these conflicts boil down to money, money beyond our wildest dreams. I have no faith in any leader no matter how many morals they have be them religious or political. It enrages me that people are still willing to fight and die for this hierarchy and innocent civilians are killed on a daily basis.
I work a night shift in the city centre so many people with severe mental health problems sleeping rough. I can't just shut my door and thank god I'm OK. I would like to make a difference but I have no idea where...