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To ask what was better and what was worse 30 years ago?

56 replies

PansyPotter84 · 05/06/2025 18:24

I’m 41 so my views may be tainted by my age…

Worse 30 years ago:

  • Casual racism, sexism and homophobia.
  • Cars (emissions nightmare and leaded petrol).

Better 30 years ago:

  • Cadbury’s Chocolate (not full of Palm Oil Sludge).
  • Disposable Nappies. The ones my little sister had when I was a nipper were thick and robust unlike the flimsy leaky paper things that my DC had.
OP posts:
Echobelly · 05/06/2025 22:13

What was better:
If you made arrangements with someone, they had to stick to it and turn up because they couldn't be sure of getting hold of you, so people expected to stick to plans rather than having a get out clause if they didn't really feel like it/were a bit tired etc. And you know what, they had a good time even if they didn't feel like it.
General sense of optimism - maybe misguided, yes, but around 1995 the UK, especially London, felt cool and exciting and like it was a world culture leader.

Worse:
Understanding of racism, sexism and inequality in general, especially homophobia. I went to a fairly liberal school, and a few of my mates were out, but there's no way you'd have had any LGBTQ+ groups in schools then
Customer service - in the UK it was still kind of 'the customer is wrong' and you'd have to go 'to the manager' to make a case, rather than customer-facing people being empowered to sort things out on the whole
No flexible working

MermaidMummy06 · 05/06/2025 22:15

Better 30 years ago:
not being filmed everywhere & being able to travel without pouty instagrammers jumping into your shot and their butt covers your DC faces (hello, Japan). Also tourism was far less crowded.

Going on holiday & being difficult to contact. I'm looking at you, DM......

Being able to strike up conversations and meet people - now all on their phones.

Having to have subscriptions for everything, even basic things you used to buy & use - music, movies, even hobbies!

Toys were more simple. Cabbage patch, anyone?

Worse 30 years ago:
less access to information, travel, communication, and jobs required scouring paper ads and post!!

Having to go physically shopping to find things, which of course, were never in stock.....

Angrymum22 · 05/06/2025 22:17

I moved into my current house in 1995 and the first thing we bought was a dishwasher. DH wasn’t keen until he watched a documentary on food hygiene, then everything went through it.

I had a mobile phone back in the 90s, it was very simple. My computer took 3hrs to switch on and the internet was incredibly slow. I do love the fact that my iPhone is now my computer and it works in tandem with my laptop.

We were more sociable back then because we were younger. DS doesn’t have to leave his room to spend time with friends, they use FaceTime or teams. They probably spend as much time in the pub as we did but with unrestricted opening hours they go out later.

I have spent the last 2yrs, since retiring, catching up on TV series I totally missed in the nineties because we were out out in the evenings.

CGI and AI have transformed the film industry. I remember seeing Jurassic Park for the first time and being blown away. I’m currently watching Walking with Dinosaurs and it is unremarkable that we have “real” dinosaurs walking across the screen.

Shopping- in the nineties it was still traditional to go shopping, wander aimlessly around a town centre or shopping centre on a Saturday. Now it’s all at your fingertips.

All my household appliances talk to me, well they send me messages via apps to say they have finished the dishes or my clothes are dry. It’s like having domestic staff, I can’t wait for AI robots to complete the task, ironing, folding and putting away.

I love the digital age. We have Alexa around the house so can magic up music. Apple car play as well. No more searching through CDs.
Unfortunately we are now at a stage where loss of power renders us useless. Although we still have a camping stove in the garage and candles dotted around the house because we regularly suffer power outages.

I’m now 60 and have lived through the advent of the digital age. I don’t really think you can compare it. We are constantly moving on and adapting. It was just different 30 years ago.

Dramatic · 05/06/2025 22:24

MugsyBalonz · 05/06/2025 20:06

Also, we did have the internet in the 90s.

To be fair I didn't know a single person who had the internet in 1995

PersephoneSmith · 05/06/2025 22:28

I think some people are confusing 30 years ago with the 1950s

BigFatBully · 05/06/2025 22:36

TankFlyBossW4lk · 05/06/2025 22:02

@BigFatBully
This is hilarious. Some bits I completely agree with, but so much of it is ridiculous. The bit about more respect, look at One Foot in the Grave etc...I'm sorry codswallop. There were poll tax riots, the police were institutionally racist, we didn't "respect" each other more. Public sector workers were still abused by members of the public for example. Harold Shipman were a nice pair of brogues, that doesn't make him less than a Dr wearing trainers because they wanted to get their 10k steps in on the way to work.

Oh and don't start me on the borders crap. I think this post is written by a Reform voter. Yusuf, is that you?

There have been riots all the way through history, poll tax riots, Brixton riots and in modern days, London looting riots in 2011 and last year's Southport riots. There have been wicked people all through history too, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, whoever did the Chillenden murders in 1996. And then you have people like Wayne Cuzens the scumbag today and Lucy Letby. But generally speaking, there were more decent citizens. I suspect part of it was to do with the economy being better, less frustrated people robbing and turning to drug crimes etc but also, people tended to take more pride. When I was growing up, most of my class mates' parents would be mortified if they exhibited some of the behaviour we see today from the youth. I'm not sure I could live in the 90s now that I've got the internet bug and also finding information about activities for the children etc is so much easier with the internet, instead of having to wait for the community centre to open or look in Yellow Pages (remember that?).

BitOutOfPractice · 05/06/2025 22:40

Better: Nobody was glued to mobile phones.

better: music

better: free university education

BigFatBully · 05/06/2025 22:42

Another thing about the 90s, most McDonald's had play centres. Hardly see any nowadays. Businesses really went the extra mile for the customer back then. Very much a "computer says no" attitude these days.

Dutchhouse14 · 05/06/2025 22:59

Better 30 years ago
The High Street
A bit more community/ no social media we actually met and talked to people.
Didn't need to plan so much in advance like booking restaurants, cinema etc in advance, could just turn up.
Less obsession with looks, more natural , no tattooed eyebrows, lip filler, etc
House prices versus wages-although there was a crash early 90s.
Didnt need a degree to do most jobs and could get a decent job and foot in the door with 5 Olevels/GCSEs.
No uni tuition fees.
Regular working patterns, not zero hours contracts but expected to be available 365/24/7.
Overtime rates for weekends and evenings!
Easy to get GP appt and NHS dentist.
Cadburys Chocolate.
Lower population /less crowded / fewer cars on road.
Could go a concert to see a famous bands at affordable prices. No dynamic pricing.

Better now
Easy to find information instantly via Internet which only really took off late 90s and wasn't fully developed, can use the phone and Internet at same time!
Low interest rates
More accessible higher education
Improvements in health care
Less sexism/ racism/ homiphobia.
Safer better reliable cars that are easy to start and drive - no manual choke!
More choice of TV channels, easier to record programmes/ streaming
Cordless vacumms

Dramatic · 05/06/2025 23:15

Air conditioning and power steering in cars is a big plus

BlackeyedSusan · 05/06/2025 23:53

Better (30 years ago) : Chocolate. Town centre shopping (Wilko, Woolies, lots of shoe shops and clothes shops, hardware stores still on local high street, choice of banks on the local high street. Now it is charity shops, and cafes.

Worse (30 years ago) : Medical treatment. There have been so many advancements in the last 30 years.
safety

kirbykirby · 06/06/2025 00:51

London was much, much better 30 years ago.

caringcarer · 06/06/2025 00:59

What was better.
Being able to feel safe walking home at night on your own.
More sense of community. I recall popping into neighbours house and feeding her cats and watering her tomatoes when she went to visit her sister twice a year. My Dad grew runner beans and strawberries and used to give several neighbours loads. We got given cooking apples from a neighbours apple tree. Everyone seemed happy to share gluts of food.
No mobile phones in fact we didn't even have a landline until I was about 16 and my parents had one fitted when my older sister went to uni.
What was worse
The troubles in NI.
The Berlin wall.
The Cold War

marshmallowpuff · 06/06/2025 01:07

BigFatBully · 05/06/2025 19:17

I love this post. There is so much that I could say.

OK, so worse 30 years ago:
Intellect: if someone wanted to know something, they'd have to go to a library, hope that they had the book they needed and sift through it to find the page that told them the information they need. Today, I have a computer that can find what I need in less than 30 seconds. I feel more educated and enriched in the tapestry of life as a result of the internet. As someone who also doesn't enjoy conventional reading, my vocabulary has also improved from connecting with people of varying levels of intellect all over the world.

Food Choice: I'm a vegetarian and can easily find tofu etc in the supermarket these days. 30 years ago, there was just a small section of the frozen aisle that did bean burgers, crisp bakes or macaroni cheese. If you were vegan, you were limited to lentils and Beanfeast (I do wish Beanfeast was still available, it was lush). Nowadays, you can even get replica mince that binds the same way beef does, and make burgers, meatballs etc with it, unheard of 30 years ago.

Entertainment: There was only 4 channels to watch on television, most of which wound down at around 11pm. If you weren't a fan of Bruce Forsyth, Anthea Turner, Dale Winton & Co, it was hard luck.

Household Chores: 30 years ago, dishwashers weren't common, so every dish and piece of cutlery had to be washed by hand. When I was a child, laundry had to be dried on some sort of raft thing that we pulled up towards the ceiling using rope and hoped that the air in the room was warm enough to dry it.

Cancer Treatment: It's not perfect now and I do still think that the powers that be are deliberately holding back possible cures to extort more financial gain but back in the 1990s, if you got cancer, it was pretty much a death sentence. Occasionally, if caught early, it could be removed with surgery and there was an archaic form of chemotherapy that may prevent life for 5 months or so (but make you unbearably ill at the same time) but it was mostly a hopeless diagnosis. Treatment in this day and age now helps more people survive cancer than die from it and also helps people to live with incurable cancer and actually not die from it, as well as living a happy and fulfilled life.

What was Better 30 years ago?
The economy: There was less austerity in Parliament and the world as a whole had more funds. It was easier to get on to the housing market, my parents bought my family home on modest incomes for less than £60,000 and my mother could afford to resign from work to be a homemaker. My partner and I, though we do enjoy extravagances unashamedly, we are both working despite raising our children and being able to afford the life we've become accustomed to whilst being a mother, wife and homemaker would be great.

Illegal Migration Control: We didn't place illegal migrants in nice hotels back then. Our borders were secure. Our public services weren't straining under the pressure of having so many people on such a small island (I'm based in Britain).

A Sense Of Community: This is the antithesis to my point about the brilliance of technology. Back in 1995, there was no social media, no mobile phones, computers were something that only offices had and E-mail was un-heard of. People went out and socialised more in person than they do now. This brought a greater feeling of togetherness. When I was growing up, there were numerous social clubs, bowling societies, women's clubs, senior citizen's clubs and people took the time and effort to call around at your house to visit you in the flesh. Nowadays, it seems some family/friends just communicate by occasionally commenting on a Facebook post. In one way the internet connects people, it also divides them.

Values and respect: In 1995, if you told them that 30 years from now, bank managers would be turning up to work in jeans, polo shirts and trainers, they'd have said you were barking mad. Unfortunately, I see a lot of people in professional settings who aren't dressed appropriately and it shows a lack of respect for the role that they are doing, the people whom they are serving and the business they work for. Dress standards as a whole have decreased alarmingly. If you watch 1990s sitcom, One Foot In The Grave, you'll notice that Victor and Margaret always dressed respectfully, despite being mostly retired. People only wore tracksuits for exercising. No self-respecting restaurant would allow a gentleman to dine without a tie and dinner jacket and a lady to dine without wearing a smart (knee length or longer) dress. If you go in to a nice restaurant these days, you'll see they let practically anyone in. Miller & Carter is the one chain that still upholds standards of decency in dress and I commend them for it. We also addressed people with respect in the 1990s. I was brought up to refer to my neighbours as Mr & Mrs so and so, never on first name terms. If you look back at One Foot In The Grave, you'll notice that Victor always calls Mrs Warboys as Mrs Warboys, never Jean, despite having known her for many years and her being a good chum of his wife.

Freedom: We wasn't in such a nanny state. Freedom of speech meant just that, no exceptions. No one had a right not to be offended. We didn't need warning notices to tell us that a packet of cashews "may contain nuts" because we used common sense. We took accountability for our own safety. We didn't have the desire to ban everything: disposable carry bags, smoking etc. We had bars, museums, galleries and restaurants that catered for those who chose to be around smoke and those who chose not to. We didn't have the Government breathing down our neck telling us what was bad for us.

High Streets: High Streets used to be bustling in the 1990s, with long-forgotten traders such as Littlewood's, Ethel Austin, British Home Stores and various independents. Beggars and unsavoury people had less gall, and there were less of them. It used to be possible to walk down the High Street without some drug addict accosting you for your money. High Streets used to be floral, bright and cheerful spaces and you'd never be more than a stone's throw away from a cheerful street cleaner or amenities such as public conveniences, telephone boxes or ATMs.

Self Preservation: Tattoos and other unsightly body customisation was deeply frowned upon in the 1990s and anyone in a customer facing role was required to keep them hidden out of sight. People respected their natural beauty and didn't obliterate it with dodgy fillers from some back street surgeon in Belgium or "Turkey teeth", breast implants, dying hair hideous colours such as blue or bright green and most people only tanned naturally, on holiday. We accepted and loved the bodies that God gave us and didn't all have to conform to look a certain way, poles apart from the society we live in today.

There’s a bit of OTT stuff here that just isn’t true! 30 years ago was 1995. Even my parents, who are real Luddites and late adopters, had a dishwasher by then. Ceiling laundry racks were charming leftovers from the early 20thc: rotary dryers and tumble dryers were how most people dried clothes.

Cancer wasn’t inevitably a “death sentence” - my grandmother had breast cancer in the 80s: had a mastectomy, never any recurrence abs she lived for 30 more years. My grandfather also had cancer which was removed in the 90s.

Yes, there were mobile phones and home computers in 1995. Mobile phones were obviously uncommon, but not so much that having one was an unimaginable marvel - remember the Rabbit phone in the early 90s which was an attempt to market a cheap mobile service? I was at uni in 1995 and a fellow student had a mobile, which we were all impressed by; but it was more “ooh, get you” than “wow, space technology of the future”. Home computers were reasonably common by the late 80s: we had an Amstrad at home that we’d inherited from a dead relative, and my best friend had a home computer with games in colour in the late 80s. I myself had a chunky brick of a laptop in 1996 to write my uni work on!

Economy: more money around? “Cheerful street cleaners”? Are you joking? In the early 90s we had the Major government, bin strikes that meant rubbish piled up on the streets for months (no street cleaners in sight, haha!), a horrific homelessness problem and absolutely terrible health and social care. The country was in a bit of a state then that the New Labour era did a lot to get rid of, and it’s really rose tinted to think that there was money washing around. As ever, after 15 years of the Tories, there really wasn’t.

“Beggars and unsavoury people had less gall, and there were less of them. It used to be possible to walk down the High Street without some drug addict accosting you for your money”? Ha! This was the era when the Big Issue was invented, the era of the heroin crisis, of visible poverty and homelessness, and lots of begging which the Blair government got rid of (it came back after 2012 though; no surprise.) In the North of England you could still see estates of extreme poverty that were all demolished in the late 90s and early 2000s, but were unlike anything you see today.

Houses were cheaper, but other things, like clothes and electricals, were much more expensive in real terms. Our borders were secure? Don’t make me laugh - the big issue of the 90s was “asylum seekers” - plus ca change! “Accountability for our own safety” also meant lots of public health crises (hello, asbestos; BSE?), terrible workplace health and safety practices and much more frequent mass safety disasters due to lax regulation and safety standards (Herald of Free Enterprise; Kings Cross Fire, Hillsborough, etc.).

In fact, I recognise hardly any of this idea of the past, which doesn’t seem to match up to the reality of the time. Where have you got all this from?

marshmallowpuff · 06/06/2025 01:08

Oh and my mum was vegetarian. The big vegetarian movement started in the seventies! There was plenty of good vegetarian food! 😆 And One Foot in the Grave was fiction! Victory calls her Mrs Warboys all the time because it’s a funny name and meant to be comic, not because in the 90s we lived like it was 1920! Bloody hell.

Oh, and Ethel Austin was horrid cheap polyester clothing for grandmas! Like Primark for the 80s and 90s only cheaper and far less fashionable. It was an absolute byword for the worst kind of cheap nylon granny pants that would otherwise be sold on the market. Dot Cotton would have turned her nose up at Ethel Austin. The idea that it’s some kind of example of the Great British High Street of yore is hilarious 😆

Havvingaalaugh · 06/06/2025 01:10

The high street was better. We had more shops and M & S sold stuff I wanted to buy. I still miss BHS.

Primary care was better. You could actually get an appointment the same day to see a GP.

marshmallowpuff · 06/06/2025 01:48

To be fair I didn't know a single person who had the internet in 1995

I was at university at the time and we all had email addresses and used the internet. My parents got a dial-up modem for our home computer in 1995 and they were not particularly early to get the internet at home.

Things that really were better in 1995:

no university fees

not being surveilled all the time (but yes, there was still plenty of CCTV: remember the old cameras in those black domes on the ceilings of big shops?)

television and media - especially R4, political media, tv documentary culture. The newspapers were better. Remember when you could spend a day reading the Sunday papers and still not have finished? And there was actual content? Magazines were better, too - Vogue, Elle and Marie-Claire ran fiction, book reviews, music reviews, serious reportage and issue articles.

film was better - not endless packaged sequels and superhero movies.

people didn’t dress up all the time. Less pressure on looks, but more interesting fashion.

Before widespread internet porn, 1995 was a much better culture to grow up in re respect, consent and sex being positive and enjoyable, not porny and violent. The “new man” was in fashion. The Lovers’ Guide had just been released. Teen girls’ magazines were big on mutual pleasure and sex education (but of the feminist kind, not the kink/“breath play”/anal sex kind.) It was curiously more positive and healthier than today. Much better to grow up as a girl than in the last two decades of online porn and rape/incel culture.

mathanxiety · 06/06/2025 01:52

marshmallowpuff · 06/06/2025 01:07

There’s a bit of OTT stuff here that just isn’t true! 30 years ago was 1995. Even my parents, who are real Luddites and late adopters, had a dishwasher by then. Ceiling laundry racks were charming leftovers from the early 20thc: rotary dryers and tumble dryers were how most people dried clothes.

Cancer wasn’t inevitably a “death sentence” - my grandmother had breast cancer in the 80s: had a mastectomy, never any recurrence abs she lived for 30 more years. My grandfather also had cancer which was removed in the 90s.

Yes, there were mobile phones and home computers in 1995. Mobile phones were obviously uncommon, but not so much that having one was an unimaginable marvel - remember the Rabbit phone in the early 90s which was an attempt to market a cheap mobile service? I was at uni in 1995 and a fellow student had a mobile, which we were all impressed by; but it was more “ooh, get you” than “wow, space technology of the future”. Home computers were reasonably common by the late 80s: we had an Amstrad at home that we’d inherited from a dead relative, and my best friend had a home computer with games in colour in the late 80s. I myself had a chunky brick of a laptop in 1996 to write my uni work on!

Economy: more money around? “Cheerful street cleaners”? Are you joking? In the early 90s we had the Major government, bin strikes that meant rubbish piled up on the streets for months (no street cleaners in sight, haha!), a horrific homelessness problem and absolutely terrible health and social care. The country was in a bit of a state then that the New Labour era did a lot to get rid of, and it’s really rose tinted to think that there was money washing around. As ever, after 15 years of the Tories, there really wasn’t.

“Beggars and unsavoury people had less gall, and there were less of them. It used to be possible to walk down the High Street without some drug addict accosting you for your money”? Ha! This was the era when the Big Issue was invented, the era of the heroin crisis, of visible poverty and homelessness, and lots of begging which the Blair government got rid of (it came back after 2012 though; no surprise.) In the North of England you could still see estates of extreme poverty that were all demolished in the late 90s and early 2000s, but were unlike anything you see today.

Houses were cheaper, but other things, like clothes and electricals, were much more expensive in real terms. Our borders were secure? Don’t make me laugh - the big issue of the 90s was “asylum seekers” - plus ca change! “Accountability for our own safety” also meant lots of public health crises (hello, asbestos; BSE?), terrible workplace health and safety practices and much more frequent mass safety disasters due to lax regulation and safety standards (Herald of Free Enterprise; Kings Cross Fire, Hillsborough, etc.).

In fact, I recognise hardly any of this idea of the past, which doesn’t seem to match up to the reality of the time. Where have you got all this from?

Agree.
I had a Mac in 1990. By 1995 members of my extended family had careers in IT.

Dryers were definitely a thing, and dishwashers too - my DM firmly refused to get one but the parents of friends of mine all had them.

marshmallowpuff · 06/06/2025 02:02

mathanxiety · 06/06/2025 01:52

Agree.
I had a Mac in 1990. By 1995 members of my extended family had careers in IT.

Dryers were definitely a thing, and dishwashers too - my DM firmly refused to get one but the parents of friends of mine all had them.

Yes - schools all had BBC microcomputers in the 80s, and we were taught to write little programs in BASIC even at primary school! And how to program a remote controlled turtle at secondary school in the late 80s/early 90s (I forgot the programming language). 😆

mathanxiety · 06/06/2025 02:07

BigFatBully · 05/06/2025 21:10

Many of the people who enter our country illegally do so from France. France is not a "repressive dictatorship", nor is it a country affected by war or famine.

Are you trying to say they're French people?

What pps are trying to tell you is that there was no route to France from famine stricken or war torn places back in 1995. There were no organised trafficking gangs either.

Also worth remembering is that the places migrants are now coming from were not war torn back then - Syrians and Iraqis, etc were living under repressive dictatorships and couldn't leave the country. Population in the parts of Africa people currently risk lives to leave was smaller, with less pressure on resources, and the effects of climate change were yet to be fully felt.

WeHaveTheRabbit · 06/06/2025 04:12

Some of these posts are harkening back to a time longer ago than 1995. Dishwashers were hardly new technology in the mid 90s, we certainly had home computers and internet (dial up). Not to mention the comments that seem straight from the Tory nostalgia playbook, the golden past that never existed (though they usually point to an earlier decade).

IMO things that are better include a greater awareness of mental health issues and neurodiversity, more attention focused on racism and sexism (though I wouldn’t say that these things are less prevalent, simply that they are more readily recognised), bullying is taken more seriously in schools and the workplace. There’s also the convenience of contemporary life, being able to shop online, etc.

Things that are worse:

The transformation of childhood.Too many children lead overly supervised and scheduled lives, lacking freedom and independence. This was already beginning in the 90s but it’s much worse now.

The relentless dumbing down of society and the rejection of expertise. Google and AI have a lot to answer for.

The coarsening of public discourse, the cruelty that has become commonplace in so many interactions, whether online or IRL.

I also think that some of the positives of modern life have negative counterparts. While it’s great that we are more conscious of mental health concerns as I wrote above, that sometimes means people pathologise ordinary emotions. Similarly, the convenience of smartphones can’t be overstated, but the massive drawbacks are also apparent, especially but not exclusively for children and teens.

helpfulperson · 06/06/2025 08:40

There has always been refugees and immigrants. I remember having children in my primary school in the 70s who were part of the 'Vietnam Boat People' after the Vietnam War.

Blade crime was so bad in Glasgow various bodies got together and declared it a Public Health Emergency.

Large quantities of homeless people sitting on streets drinking Meths.

3 million unemployed.

These were all happening, things really weren't any better back then. Actually things are much better for the average person now. the internet skews our perception of what is happening in the world because we are so much more aware of it, whereas pre-internet you really only knew about it if it was in your local area.

MrsMoastyToasty · 06/06/2025 08:53

Banks and building societies. Our town had 8. It now has 1 building society.
Chocolate. Cadburys was a major employer in my town. The factory buildings are now my GP surgery and a care home.

dayslikethese1 · 06/06/2025 08:58

Better now:
Suncreen/awareness of need for it
Foundation/makeup in general
Entertainment/streaming options
Options for secondhand buying

Better then:
Quality of high street clothing
Nightlife
Real communication between people
Cost of living

Fearfulsaints · 06/06/2025 09:05

I dint know if it was youth or reality. But 1995 felt optimistic to me. People felt the future would get better.

My friends were heading off to free universities. There had been a housing crash in the early 90s but things were beginning to improve.

The highstreets had lots of shops.

Stuff like the internet/mobile phones were new to us.

I feel now that no one thinks things are getting better or infant the standard of living is getting worse and people are gloomy. Not in a 'this is just the economic cycle it will pick up way' but in a "this is slow decline forever now'. And smart phones don't compensate.