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Cyclist gesticulating wildly at me

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FrankyGoesToBollywood · 02/06/2025 08:49

On the school run this morning which involves driving down a narrow winding lane which is always very busy at school run time. The lane is wide enough for two cars but it’s tight. There are three schools on this route and at school drop off and pick ups times it’s busy and congested. It’s 30mph. This morning I was driving along at about 25mph and a man dressed in serious looking cycling gear was cycling. I overtook him with quite a bit of space, definitely more than the 1.5m minimum, and as I was overtaking I could see a car coming towards me so nipped in in front of him- again definitely more than 1.5m from him. My windows were closed but I could then hear him shouting wildly “what the F was that!!” Over and over again and gesticulating. I didn’t indicate. I’m worried he will report me he was going wild, I genuinely thought I was driving quite considerately until I saw his reaction!

I’m now second guessing how close I was to him when I pulled in in front of him, and thinking he will report me and upload footage. If so how likely is it I will hear about it or be prosecuted?

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TunnocksOrDeath · 03/06/2025 14:16

Spirallingdownwards · 02/06/2025 09:17

Okay then. A car pulls out of a side road for example. The cyclists don't have to adjust their cycling they can of course plough straight into the obstruction. Don't be so daft. Every road user has to adjust their behaviour to the conditions of the road and the other users around them.

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Except that anyone pulling out of side road into the path of a cyclist would be breaking the law, wouldn't they. The highway code makes it very clear that road users should not take action that forces other road users to take evasive action, and that includes braking.
If you want to overtake or pull into a road, you have to wait till it's safe.
So yes the cyclist in your example would be sensible to avoid a collision, but if they send headcam footage to the police, the driver might find themselves wishing they'd had a bit more patience.

Springtimehere · 03/06/2025 14:21

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MemorableTrenchcoat · 03/06/2025 14:27

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Don’t be daft. Drivers in cars with ABS can stamp on the brakes as hard as they like and stop safely from any speed. A cyclist who brakes too hard will go sailing over the handlebars.

outdooryone · 03/06/2025 15:00

As a cyclist, I would like to know what a 'serious looking cyclist' is and what the driver equivalent is?

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 15:02

You unsafely overtook another vehicle. You were wrong.

outdooryone · 03/06/2025 15:49

I am also wondering when the OP was last on a bike - because if someone pulled in on me after a dodgy overtake into oncoming traffic with 1.5m or so space, I too would be somewhat peeved....

Blackdow · 03/06/2025 15:59

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Cyclist cannot stop quicker and safer than a car. A car driving at 25 mph can do an emergency stop no problem. A cyclist going at 25mpg cannot do an emergency stop without going over the handlebars and breaking bones. It is very dangerous.

How stupid are people who think cyclists going at speed can stop faster and safer than a car going at speed?

southerngirl10 · 03/06/2025 17:22

Redpeach · 03/06/2025 15:02

You unsafely overtook another vehicle. You were wrong.

F*ing ell, someone's seriously rattled your cage haven't they. You were on here most of yesterday as well!

Tessasanderson · 04/06/2025 08:58

This thread just highlights how ignorant some people are. I'm ok in my big (getting bigger every year) metal box and screw the rest of society for having a slightly different way of travelling or caring about the environment.

Some rather nasty people comment on anything that involves bicycles which surprises me as most children spend so much time on bikes and you would expect at some point they too would ride on a road.

TheGrimSmile · 04/06/2025 10:03

I don't cycle myself but I know how vulnerable I feel walking on narrow pavements when cars are going past at 30 mph. So I can only imagine how scary it must be if you are on a bike. I think all these dickheads who love to slate cyclists relentlessly should have a go at cycling along a busy road sometime.

NewPapaGuinea · 04/06/2025 18:49

TheGrimSmile · 04/06/2025 10:03

I don't cycle myself but I know how vulnerable I feel walking on narrow pavements when cars are going past at 30 mph. So I can only imagine how scary it must be if you are on a bike. I think all these dickheads who love to slate cyclists relentlessly should have a go at cycling along a busy road sometime.

This is a reason why I’m a big fan of 20mph zones, especially on residental streets. When the relative speeds of all road users is brought closer it just makes the environment more pleasant and calm.

I’ve adopted my own changes by driving slower on residential streets despite what the limit is.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 19:13

NewPapaGuinea · 04/06/2025 18:49

This is a reason why I’m a big fan of 20mph zones, especially on residental streets. When the relative speeds of all road users is brought closer it just makes the environment more pleasant and calm.

I’ve adopted my own changes by driving slower on residential streets despite what the limit is.

I’m in Wales. Almost nobody is doing 20 in the 20, nor are they sitting behind those that pootle along at 1/2-2/3 of the indicated limits.

ForPlumReader · 04/06/2025 19:58

Perhaps part of a driving test should include spending x hours on a bike in amongst rush hour traffic. Some drivers don't have a clue how to drive safely and it can be terrifying.

NewPapaGuinea · 04/06/2025 20:07

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 19:13

I’m in Wales. Almost nobody is doing 20 in the 20, nor are they sitting behind those that pootle along at 1/2-2/3 of the indicated limits.

Aai, the draw of rushing to get home straight on SM is too great

Pedallleur · 04/06/2025 20:15

Agix · 02/06/2025 08:51

Unlikely. Cyclists like to have a go even when they don't have a leg to stand on. Absolutely baffling they'd decide to take their ride during the hours of the morning everyone's going to work or dropping kids off at school, if they're afraid of cars being close to them. I suppose he expected you to trawl behind him the whole way.

And we are off!! Shall we have the road tax/insurance/number plate drivel trotted out? The op overtook the cyclist but an oncoming car caused the op to move in. I don't know the distance to the cyclist but why not just wait until it's safe to overtake? I commute at peak times. Am I being told I can't go out? Perhaps motorists should be regulated to certain times of day or certain days when they can use their cars

ForPlumReader · 04/06/2025 20:17

PetiteBlondeDuBoulevardBrune · 02/06/2025 17:36

That is fair, but why not also ask: how many times do you witness dangerous/illegal behaviour from cyclist on an average 15min spent walking outside vs from car drivers?

Today, just 1h ago on the school run, literally when leaving my house there was a cyclist on the pavement. More pavement-riders were encountered. Some also crossed red lights. Nothing to report from drivers, they all indicated when turning into the side roads I was crossing and left me cross before turning. And none of them drove at a red light. Anecdotical of course, but this is a fair representation of what happens in urban areas.

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My experience while walking to work this morning was that most cars go through red lights (amber apparently means nothing) and many don't indicate. Anecdotal but happens on a regular basis while I'm waiting to cross.

Pedallleur · 04/06/2025 20:25

MemorableTrenchcoat · 03/06/2025 14:27

Don’t be daft. Drivers in cars with ABS can stamp on the brakes as hard as they like and stop safely from any speed. A cyclist who brakes too hard will go sailing over the handlebars.

Not actually true. It depends what is ahead of you and at what distance. A car travelling at 50mph behind a vehicle 10 metres ahead is not going to stop safely. Stopping distance increases exponentially with speed, road conditions, brake and tyre conditions and the reaction time of the driver

MemorableTrenchcoat · 04/06/2025 20:44

Pedallleur · 04/06/2025 20:25

Not actually true. It depends what is ahead of you and at what distance. A car travelling at 50mph behind a vehicle 10 metres ahead is not going to stop safely. Stopping distance increases exponentially with speed, road conditions, brake and tyre conditions and the reaction time of the driver

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I was referring to the sort of speeds at which bicycles travel. At 20mph, an ABS- equipped car can stop on a dime, regardless of driver skill. It has four nice, wide tyres, and no chance of skidding, so the car can brake right at the very limits of the tyres’ adhesion. A cyclist can’t hope to do this and remain in the saddle. Under hard braking, a car can decelerate at around 1.0 G; a cyclist, less than half that.

Pedallleur · 04/06/2025 21:04

MemorableTrenchcoat · 04/06/2025 20:44

I was referring to the sort of speeds at which bicycles travel. At 20mph, an ABS- equipped car can stop on a dime, regardless of driver skill. It has four nice, wide tyres, and no chance of skidding, so the car can brake right at the very limits of the tyres’ adhesion. A cyclist can’t hope to do this and remain in the saddle. Under hard braking, a car can decelerate at around 1.0 G; a cyclist, less than half that.

Sorry to disappoint you. Your abs equipped car won't stop on a dime. Physics applies. A car has greater mass and higher velocity. Try stopping on a gravel road and your brakes may actually not work v.well. A car travelling at 30mph takes generally 23 metres or 75 feet to stop. That increases significantly in wet conditions and in snow or ice your brakes may be useless. At 20mph its 40 feet.

BlueMum16 · 04/06/2025 21:08

FrankyGoesToBollywood · 02/06/2025 21:30

Thank you for all the replies and sorry it’s taken me all day to respond!

Firstly we do live semi rurally- the lane I described has no footpaths and as mentioned is narrow- if someone is walking their dog on it and a car comes along they have to sink into the hedge so it’s not a route suitable for walking to school with a child. We also live three miles away and this is the nearest school.

I do accept on reflection I should have waited to overtake until I could see further ahead and wasn’t as near to a bend, but I’m not lying when I say I was considerate to the cyclist and felt I left plenty of room. Like I say it was definitely over the minimum, I’m not saying it was that amount exactly, but he was certainly never in danger of being hit by the car and nor did I slam on my brakes after passing him as some have suggested.

The reason I mentioned his clothing is because he seemed it me to be out for a hobby ride, not cycling to work, plus there’s nothing around there unless he’s a teacher at one of the schools! I know cyclists have the same rights to use roads as everyone else but you’d think people would exercise common sense and not choose to cycle on narrow country lanes when there are lots of cars trying to get to school for a specific time. I know I’ll be flamed for saying that but come on it’s common sense!

Highway code was updated.

Cyclists have more rights than cars. You must give way to them.

Pedestrian have the most rights overall.

Just be more careful, wait and give more space than you would to a car . The cyclists wants to get home to his family too.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 04/06/2025 21:13

Pedallleur · 04/06/2025 21:04

Sorry to disappoint you. Your abs equipped car won't stop on a dime. Physics applies. A car has greater mass and higher velocity. Try stopping on a gravel road and your brakes may actually not work v.well. A car travelling at 30mph takes generally 23 metres or 75 feet to stop. That increases significantly in wet conditions and in snow or ice your brakes may be useless. At 20mph its 40 feet.

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Yes, I mentioned the physics: 1.0 G versus around 0.4 G. Assuming a firm surface, like most metalled roads, the car can exploit the much larger contact patches of its four wide tyres. A cyclist decelerating that quickly will go over the handlebars.

outdooryone · 05/06/2025 17:07

Agix · 02/06/2025 08:51

Unlikely. Cyclists like to have a go even when they don't have a leg to stand on. Absolutely baffling they'd decide to take their ride during the hours of the morning everyone's going to work or dropping kids off at school, if they're afraid of cars being close to them. I suppose he expected you to trawl behind him the whole way.

Well, on my commute this morning the 200+ cars I overtook were in my way on a bike. They were all sat in a queue of, checks notes, other cars and had decided to take a drive at a busy part of the day, slowing all us cyclists down. They were even sat two abreast - often with no-one in the second seat - so making it harder to get past them.
How selfish, antisocial, noisy, polluting and arrogant of all those drivers heading onto the road at rush hour!

Redpeach · 05/06/2025 17:15

FrankyGoesToBollywood · 02/06/2025 21:30

Thank you for all the replies and sorry it’s taken me all day to respond!

Firstly we do live semi rurally- the lane I described has no footpaths and as mentioned is narrow- if someone is walking their dog on it and a car comes along they have to sink into the hedge so it’s not a route suitable for walking to school with a child. We also live three miles away and this is the nearest school.

I do accept on reflection I should have waited to overtake until I could see further ahead and wasn’t as near to a bend, but I’m not lying when I say I was considerate to the cyclist and felt I left plenty of room. Like I say it was definitely over the minimum, I’m not saying it was that amount exactly, but he was certainly never in danger of being hit by the car and nor did I slam on my brakes after passing him as some have suggested.

The reason I mentioned his clothing is because he seemed it me to be out for a hobby ride, not cycling to work, plus there’s nothing around there unless he’s a teacher at one of the schools! I know cyclists have the same rights to use roads as everyone else but you’d think people would exercise common sense and not choose to cycle on narrow country lanes when there are lots of cars trying to get to school for a specific time. I know I’ll be flamed for saying that but come on it’s common sense!

So basically your journey is more important than his? If time is such an issue, leave home earlier

Gyozas · 05/06/2025 17:17

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 02/06/2025 09:22

DH uploads footage of 4-6 dangerous drivers (around cyclists) a week. Around half would be on narrow lanes. He gets feedback on each one - I’d say 50% are no action, 40% are “had a word” and 10% are progressed to prosecution.

He sounds fun. 🫢

Redpeach · 05/06/2025 17:32

Gyozas · 05/06/2025 17:17

He sounds fun. 🫢

More fun than getting killed