Sick of everything being about identity

[CalmMooCowNibbles]

Everything seems to be about identity nowadays in Britain. Ethnicity, gender, religion. AIBU? or is anyone else feeling this way? Is this this just life now? Makes me want to run off to Greece and live out the rest of my days in some remote mountain

Who chose to move to and live in the UK!

I take your points but can’t fully agree. It is all a muddling issue, however I feel that the trans issue is a valid example of how identity politics has massively skewed people’s (especially old school lefties) perceptions of what is most important to the most vulnerable in our society.

The trans issue is a capitalist issue. Businesses don’t want to be told they need to spend money to build a third space.

I guess I’d disagree a bit with the last one. The collective identities that people choose to form an allegiance with are often more personal and therefore create smaller groups. So yes, people can feel they are a part of something, but it is because it related specifically to them, such as in your example. It is therefore more about the individual than a collective care for others, who may have difference experiences.

Fully agree with your point on virtue signalling. I don’t think this is specific to the leftie elite however.

I’m going to guess OP works at a university or a school.

Bad symptom of the current obsession with navel gazing individualism.
What happened to caring about a community or concern for the common good?

I think this is a very unkind post, albeit that that may have been unintended. The trans debate has taken over everything else for mumsnetters whose children and families have been destroyed by gender ideology, and thank god mumsnet has remained one of the few places on the internet where they can discuss this openly, share experiences and get support. If other women/mothers who have not been directly affected have joined in with those discussions enthusiastically, then that's a good thing, unless you think people who have really, really suffered from this toxic phenomenon ought to stay in the shadows and keep their sorrows to themselves.

I need to buy a jumper a UNISEX jumper why is identity even a question? It was name address nationality for some reason gender identity I thought I had clicked on an advert 😅

Here we go. Non binary is a made up identity, surely you could have thought that one up yourself or at least had the theory of mind to imagine that was an example to which I was referring.

Real ones are the ones we are born into. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascribed_status you might find this helpful. The real ones are those we don't have control over. I suppose there is a grey area beyond that, which extends to silly extremes

What is the common good? We can't agree. Dire straits.

It’s a fad OP. People will move onto something else eventually.

What I hated hearing once is a "young labour activist" saying "climate justice is racial justice" like climate change is inherently racist

i mean...... this is a real issue lol, the unequal impact is pretty well documented

the effects of climate change will be felt mostly by people of colour. The causes of climate change have historically come from countries who wont feel the worst of the impact. its really not a controversial statement

Like the "British" listed in the OP as one of the many identities they are sick of 😂

I watch NHK World Japan just to escape it atm.

I’m sorry you felt this to be unkind, it was not my intention. I am actually very much pro the majority mumsnet stance on trans issues, I was intending to be objective with my examples, but I can see how it came across as critical and was not the best example to use.

YANBU, I miss class based politics that was actually grounded in material reality and real problems.

I read through the people standing for student rep positions at uni this year and most of the bios were just a list of labels and identities instead of anything about their values or their experience or their plans or the kind of person they are.

Really not. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone wants to call themselves it has absolutely no impact on my life at all. I really cannot fathom the transphobia that's on that board

I've seen three episodes and one and a half were about gender identity. I thought it would be more about the experience of being a woman in your 50s. It's so serious, too. It doesn't ring true.

Surely no one is this dumb?

That's a watertight idea, that is. Could I recommend Mount Athos? It's not as if you'd experience any issues with gender or religion there 😆

Um. Well. They did invent the word chaos, so....😆
I'm going to make a wild stab in the dark here and assume you don't speak fluent Greek, so don't consume any Greek newspapers, TV, social media etc...

YANBU. I do understand why identity is important to people but I think what people do is at least as important as who they are. Hand in hand with identity politics seems to go the idea that posting on social media is activism and that simply caring about a cause is as useful as doing something about it.

When I hear I identify as a woman/man/cat i say go on explain how i am still waiting for an answer, yes i think it is all naff but it doesn't bother me

Greek is a nationality. It doesn’t have to be an identity. Yes, you can talk about Greek national identity, Greek cultural identity, and so on — but being Greek doesn’t mean you of necessity have to have any of those things.

You can be Greek but have been brought up in a different country, and have a completely different “national identity” (Prince Philip was rather an icon of upper-class English identity, for example). I could be Greek, but have always lived in Australia, have never been to Greece,and feel myself to be thoroughly Australian. In what sense is my Greek nationality then an identity?

It's the old divide and conquer routine, when you want to send society into chaos, pit everyone against one another while making sure they ignore the politicians who are in fact the enemy. When the guy who plays Jonathan Pie was still funny he absolutely nailed it.