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Do I cut off narcissistic DB

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CherryTomato91 · 29/05/2025 22:35

My brother and I have never been close, mostly due to our having a somewhat emotionally traumatic childhood, growing up in an abusive household with our parents unwittingly pitting us constantly against each other. Over time I have slowly and steadily been reducing contact with him (and family at large) purely because I came to a realisation that life is short and I needed to prioritise my own emotional well-being. He is opinionated, prickly, immature and incredibly selfish. I won’t give examples as I will be here all day - but the end game is that I’m now in a groove of seeing him at Christmas and maybe 1-2 per year and not really talking or texting in between. He lives hundreds of miles away so avoiding him is pretty straightforward and can be explained away silently without much awkwardness. I have three DCs under 5 and a full-time job so plenty of excuses for why I’m not available.

This week my DM (who I do still maintain a relationship with) called me with the most incredible story and I’m looking for nothing other than other peoples’ opinions on it as I truly feel I can’t be impartial and objective as I don’t hold
DB in high regard to begin with.

The preface to this is that DB has been in a same-sex partnership for a decade and his DP has long desired marriage and a family but DB has vetoed that as he feels they don’t need the piece of paper to be committed and he doesn’t want the disruption of a DC. He has been clear that freedom is priority; he enjoys near-constant travel, dining, drinking, substances and an indulgent shopping habit. Each to his own and I always thought deserves credit for that honesty rather than stringing his DP along in hope.

Anyway, back to the phone call from DM. She told me that DB has decided he wants to bring a child into the world with a single female friend who after years of failing to find Mr Right has decided her yearning for a baby is so strong that she’s going to go all in on single motherhood. To save money, they are bypassing planned IVF via a clinic and instead trying via the Turkey baster method. their shared stance is that they will not co-parent, but neither will DB be a sperm donor but “something in between”. He has said openly this is his way of “having a little person in the world who belongs to him, without any of the responsibilities, but who he could build a fulfilling relationship with over time”. DB also lives hundreds of miles from his friend so they have agreed he will not play an active role in the pregnancy, birth, or day to day upbringing. They have also agreed he will be named on the birth certificate and the child will take his name but they are drawing up a legal agreement where he renounces parental rights, she agrees he will not pay child support, but there are a couple of stipulations like she can’t emigrate to another country without his permission and she also can’t deny our parents access to the baby. In his words, he will “come over every few months, have fun together, shower the child with gifts almost like a fun uncle”.

He has told my parents he expects nothing of them, but if they did want to be involved he would be delighted. As he is aware his friend “is alone, pregnancy is stressful, and she would love someone to go to appointments with.” His DP is also absolutely furious about the whole thing given he has begged my DB for commitment/family for years and DB has always brushed him off. So I do think that DB is counting on my mum to fill in the gaps given he has no intention of being anything other than a recreational dad and “has to keep his partner sweet by ensuring their lifestyle doesnt change”.

My DM who has been emotionally abused for years by my dad thinks all this is nuts but is slowly being coerced into supporting him -
which isn’t a surprise as she has enabled and perpetuated his (and our DF’s) poor behaviour for decades. She has the most extreme form of Stockholm syndrome you can imagine.

She asked her for my perspective and I told her:

  1. DB’s disrespect for his partner’s feelings feels sociopathic to me.
  2. If DB admits his motivation here is putting his DNA into the world then he should EITHER do that as a sperm donor via a formal channel OR be a proper co-parent. His proposal of intermittent parenting seems like it could be incredibly damaging to the poor baby born of this.
  3. The so-called legal agreement they speak of sounds like nothing that is supported in law as any informal insemination means you are the legal father in UK law with all of the accountability and responsibility that entails. So if the friend realises babies are expensive and she wants child support, then he will have to pay.

Curious what others think of this - I think it’s unfair to the child, disrespectful to his DB, and possibly evidence of DB very likely having some sort of narcissistic personality disorder. But I am self-aware enough to know that given I am not a DB fan to begin with, I could be framing all of this to fit my own theory about him.

Please give me your opinions, AITA or is this possibly a disaster waiting to happen?

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Nothankyov · 29/05/2025 23:23

I mean - this so so messy that I don’t even know how to begin. How confusing for the poor child - as he/she grows how is this going to impact them.
I do feel sorry for your poor mother but not sure how you can help her.
and his partner who wanted a child and was put off and now he chooses this? Complete disregard for his feelings in my option.
Honestly if I were you I would unsubscribe from this drama.

Endofyear · 30/05/2025 07:47

Yes it sounds messy but it's not your circus, not your monkeys. Your DM is an adult and can decide for herself how involved she wants to be. If I were you I'd stay well out of it and tell DM that you're not interested in hearing what DB is doing.

Pemba · 30/05/2025 07:59

It does sound selfish. His DP is going to feel very betrayed.

And how come he has to label the child with his name yet is only prepared to have a 'fun uncle' type of relationship? Well I know why, male ego. I feel sorry for the child and also sorry for his friend/future coparent that she's prepared to accept this. She'd be better off going to a sperm bank, at least she could give the child her own last name and no restrictions on her life, like your brother wants to impose.

PermanentTemporary · 30/05/2025 08:05

What @Endofyear said. Tell your dm it sounds disastrous for everyone involved but you'd rather not hear the blow by blow of the inevitable terrible outcomes.

ScupperedbytheSea · 30/05/2025 08:08

It's absolutely batshit.
If it happens, it won't happen like he says.
Or it could be a complete fabrication to get attention.
Good on you for being honest with your mum.

Ponoka7 · 30/05/2025 08:11

None of the agreements are legal, which the potential mother may know, so she holds all of the cards. Clinics are expensive and it would be interesting to have research on turkey basters vs the clinical route. Having had secondary infertility, I don't judge women desperate to have a baby. On your DB's part, it's an ego thing, but there might be an element of wanting to help his friend. Re his partner, he's made his stance clear and the DP can't carry on playing the victim, he needs to decide if a child is a deal breaker and leave. If it happens, I'd want to know the child's name, if I had children, to prevent any incest.

Yellowpingu · 30/05/2025 08:25

If DP wants a child why isn’t he the one providing the turkey baster? That seems to be the most logical solution. DB can still be the fun uncle and your DM can still be a doting Granny if she wants to be.

Pemba · 30/05/2025 08:26

Also, I note that your DB says he would enjoy 'having a little person in the world who BELONGS TO HIM', I think that's a telling choice of words.

This is also not very fair on your mum, expecting her to provide support to the new mother (why can't DB?) and inevitably get attached to the child, but I think her future relationship with the child is not guaranteed, whatever DB puts in their agreement.

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/05/2025 08:38

This is not "possibly a disaster waiting to happen" - this is DEFINITELY a disaster waiting to happen, for all the reasons you've identified.

Even just suggesting this shitshow has destabilised his relationship with his partner. Although his partner was presumably suggesting the surrogate route, which I think is just as much of a shitshow and never in the child's best interest. I'm with @Yellowpingu - the partner should offer to be the sperm donor! Still a shitshow, but slightly less so.

TBH I am wondering why this female friend doesn't just go the official route and have no complications - or is her personal circumstances such that she wouldn't be accepted for that? (Yet another potential shitshow!) I cannot believe that cost is the only issue here. She's got no way of knowing your brother won't have a change of mind once he's sired her child - he's selfish, who knows?

Trying to get your mother involved in his friend's pregnancy by dangling the possibility of playing at being a grandmother - where to begin with that mind-fuckery?

And visiting all this madness onto the head of an innocent child? That's just cruel and senseless. I'd be persuading your mother to have nothing to do with this, for the potential child's sake.

CherryTomato91 · 30/05/2025 13:47

Thanks all for your thoughts truly appreciate people taking the time to share their opinions. A few responses to questions:

  1. I am sure my DB is partly motivated by helping a friend, but the primary element (as pointed out by some of you) is that this is 100% his male ego, wanting to put his DNA into the world. And unlike doing that as a sperm donor where you make the donation and then go on with life — he likes the idea that he can dip in and out and selectively enjoy having a baby from afar. As I told my mum, he’s behaving like he’s adopting a penguin at a zoo.
  2. The baby mama I also don’t judge for desperately wanting a baby as I have been there (albeit on an infertility journey) myself, I get it. But she doesn’t want to go to a clinic as she says it’s cheaper this way — when I pointed out that raising children is expensive so cheaping out on the conception is pointless and probably suggests she needs to have a long hard think about whether she is truly prepared for single parenthood. I think she also just likes the idea of the sperm coming from someone she knows rather than a stranger.
  3. My DB’s DP wouldn’t be the donor as he doesn’t really know baby mama and again, she has this idea that this whole venture is somehow nicer and less clinical if she uses someone that she knows. Almost like she’s kidding herself that she is creating more of a real family vs a totally artificial one.
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CherryTomato91 · 30/05/2025 13:55

One thing I forgot - DB’s reasoning for being unable to provide support during pregnancy and after birth etc is because he lives hundreds of miles away and can’t
keep taking time off to go back and forth. Plus he has promised his DP that their lives won’t change and this situation won’t start eating chunks of his time.

My irritation is that absolutely no thought is being given to the child and how it will feel once it is old enough to realise what a dysfunctional setup it’s been born into.

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Genevieva · 30/05/2025 14:02

Maybe your DB’s boyfriend would be the better sperm donor.

SpryCat · 30/05/2025 14:02

Your mum is an enabler, she won’t tell him if she thinks this is a disaster and you don’t have much to do with DB. If it goes ahead, you can always reach out to this lady and introduce your dc to their cousin, bypassing your brother in this.

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/05/2025 17:36

SpryCat · 30/05/2025 14:02

Your mum is an enabler, she won’t tell him if she thinks this is a disaster and you don’t have much to do with DB. If it goes ahead, you can always reach out to this lady and introduce your dc to their cousin, bypassing your brother in this.

No! Do not allow yourself to get sucked into this circus! Any approach will be taken as a sign that they can load you up with the emotional labour your brother can't be arsed with.

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