To think that society would not be immensely simpler were women denied the right to vote and own property

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The link to this article was originally posted in FWR but I think this paragraph (written by trans woman Robin Moira White) is so offensive and telling that it needs to be seen widely.

translucent.org.uk/a-supremely-poor-job/

"We could simplify society immensely by removing women from voting, property ownership, and working in the professions, but that would not be right."

How? How would removing women from society make for a simpler society? Is this what some people think of women? Clearly some people do think that, I didn't think that was an acceptable belief to hold in our society though.

Ridiculous title for a strawman thread. Nice dig at trans people though.

I think they're using hyperbole to point out that just because something's simpler doesn't mean we should do it. The last part of your quote is "but that would not be right", after all.

(there are plenty of bad ideas to counter that people are actually serious about, don't waste time on this one)

the dig wasn't at "trans people" it was at the author of the piece, who is also a trans identified man.

Yes, life would me far far easier for men if women didn't have rights. See various countries for examples (Afghanistan is a good one)

Robin is a man. Just misogyny isn't it.

It’s a dig at White for his antediluvian, misogynistic views.

The fact that he’s trans is incidental.

It's a genuine question. How would society be simpler if women were denied their rights to vote, own property and work in certain professions. Do you think it would be simpler? I don't!

He just can't help but show exactly what he thinks of women can he? Trans ideology is so blatantly misogynistic.

Yes it would be simpler if women had no rights and had no choice but to obey men.
It would not be better, or at least not better in terms of the criteria that I would use to determine what is and isn't better!
My life would be simpler and better if everyone would just obey me and do what worked for me😅

I guess simpler for men...maybe. But would it be better? Maybe the point is simpler does not equal better? Certainly not simpler or better for women!

Ha, you answered my question to @Brefugee as I typed it 😅

History disproves his suggestion.

It would be simpler to do it. As the article states though, this wouldn't be better or indeed right.

It's literally explained by all the lines around it. I feel this OP is almost trying to mislead the thread here to attack a trans woman. I wonder why.....

Of course it would be simpler... for men. If they got to make all the decisions, if their neds and wants were the only ones considered, if their piorities were everyone's priorities, live would be much easier and simpler. For them. They wouldn't have to compromise. they wouldn' thave to prove themselves. They could go where they wanted, do what they wanted, spend what they wanted.

It's just flat out misogyny and becuase he's really really stupid, he thinks it's a hilariously insightful argument into right and wrong.

You might say it would be simpler for women because there would be no choice, you wouldn't have to weigh things up you just obey, do as you're told etc. You are kept in a child-like state and so you remain at a simple or primitive level of psychological development, I think that would be the argument?

I can't see that it would be in any way better for women, but men would want to argue that it was better for women because men benefit hugely from the oppression and subordination of women.

i meant "men" not me, but i guess the sentiment is the same: simpler does not necessarily mean better.

But if we assume that broadly what men want is the same sort of thing, taking out the necessity of having to think about what women want when making decisions makes things a lot less complicated.

I'm still wondering at the reply saying it's a dig at trans people tho. Is it that RMW is trans and therefore any criticism is anti-trans? that is reducing RMW to one aspect of his personality. Not brilliant, eh?

The effect of these failures is to have produced a judgment which strikes down the rights and protections that trans people have enjoyed since 1999, with no evidence of harm to the general population.

Says White.

White conveniently ignores all of the women girls who have been frightened & intimidated, leered at & been propositioned, filmed, assaulted and yes, raped in female only spaces.

By men pretending to be women. White sees this as unproblematic.

Others think that Napoleon gives them messages over the radio, or that they are the reincarnation of Elizabeth the First.

A 'strawman' is where someone misrepresents an argument. OP has quoted and linked to it so it can be read, in full and in context.

I'm not sure if a PP didn't understand the term or hadn't bothered to read the OP fully in their desperation to make out that someone's said something they haven't (!).

Wrt the question, I'd be interested to know what percentage of the workforce are women and what would happen if they stopped being able to work starting tomorrow.
A LOT of surgeries, court cases, medical treatments, public transport, banking, etc etc etc would not take place. In my view that would complicate things immensely, so I'm sort of interested in what 'simplified' means and why that's something to strive for?

I suspect the author is making that illogical assumption that so many people make that there was once a simpler time when everyone knew their place, all women were married off young and stuck to the domestic area of life.

The thing that people have always done throughout history. Look back to a fictional time when things were just better.

Interesting that his go-to idea for a simpler time is one where women were just kept in their place.

I guess it feels tempting for anyone who is fed up with argumentative women who won’t just shut up and do the drudge work to dream of a time when men were living amongst powerless support humans.

I'm not trying to misrepresent the argument at all. I haven't misgendered or said anything about trans people. I didn't think it would be very readable to copy the whole thing.

I posted that paragraph as it genuinely shocked me that someone could think that. Reading what's written here, I guess some people think men do think this (and clearly in Afghanistan they do). It just seemed so utterly absurdly misogynistic when I first read it, hence why I posted.

You didn't select the whole paragraph though OP. Strange that you missed the first sentence of it that made the point that simple isn't better.

With respect to the Supreme Court, if you try to make it ‘simple,’ it just will not work. We could simplify society immensely by removing women from voting, property ownership, and working in the professions, but that would not be right.

Robin Moira White is an entitled misogynistic twat. They fact they choose to present as female makes zero difference to their anti woman rhetoric

I expect it would make for a simpler society for men, who would go back to living in caves, hitting each other with sticks and not being able to find anything within the space of a year.

I suppose by extension that would mean our all-female Utopia would be simpler too 🥳

Exactly this. First post nails it.

Completely missed the point didn’t you OP- deliberately so, no doubt.

Yes. What was the point? I don't get it at all.

The point is that making things simple doesn't always make them better.

This feels very obvious, whether you agree with it or not. It is very clear.