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To think that the Chagos deal is incredibly stupid and harmful?

96 replies

Sausagenbacon · 22/05/2025 18:18

Let's hand millions over to Mauritius (which never had a legal right to the islands).
I honestly think that Starmer is stupid not to see how the optics of this play out.

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kirbykirby · 22/05/2025 22:19

It's unbelievable. Complete disaster.

AnnaMagnani · 22/05/2025 22:22

It was 95% negotiated by the Tories. Still having the islands was proving a diplomatic disaster for the UK.

I don't blame the government (of any party) for seeking any route to get shot of them as fast as possible.

FortyElephants · 22/05/2025 22:25

The last labour government oversaw a shoddy investigation into the possibility of the chagossians returning to the islands and blocked it on spurious grounds. They could have dealt with the issue 15 years ago before it became this big of an issue and before the chagossians (and their Mauritian extended family members) mass migrated to the UK. They are partly to blame for the current mess.

Aprilrainagainagain · 22/05/2025 22:28

The Tories negotiated it. Had you even heard of it before you got all reform?
So bored of these anti Starmer threads.

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 08:27

Well, stay away then
Personally it seems extremely politically naive to give sovereignty to a country that has no entitlement to it, and is being wooed by Russia and China.
And pay for the privilege.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 23/05/2025 08:39

What makes you feel that the UK had the right to keep it?

SinnerBoy · 23/05/2025 08:42

FortyElephants · Yesterday 22:25

(and their Mauritian extended family members) mass migrated to the UK. They are partly to blame for the current mess.

They were ethnically cleansed, they didn't migrate by choice.

ohfourfoxache · 23/05/2025 08:48

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55848126.amp

We were told by the UN that we don’t have sovereignty, and told to hand them back to Mauritius ASAP

We did something wrong, the UN/ICJ pulled us up on it, and now we’re handing them back (at last)

Its shocking that the media are spinning this as a bad thing when we were in the wrong in the first place

Diego Garcia

UN court rules UK has no sovereignty over Chagos islands - BBC News

The ruling should enable Mauritius to start settling its new maritime borders in the Indian Ocean.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55848126.amp

nomas · 23/05/2025 08:49

The International Court of Justice ordered the UK to hand over the islands to Mauritius.

You can’t hold on to territory that doesn’t belong to you. Have people learnt nothing?

andtheworldrollson · 23/05/2025 08:56

I cant see how you can say they have no entitlement when the UN believes they do?

InterruptingRabbit · 23/05/2025 08:58

ohfourfoxache · 23/05/2025 08:48

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55848126.amp

We were told by the UN that we don’t have sovereignty, and told to hand them back to Mauritius ASAP

We did something wrong, the UN/ICJ pulled us up on it, and now we’re handing them back (at last)

Its shocking that the media are spinning this as a bad thing when we were in the wrong in the first place

Oh don’t come in here with your facts when everyone is just trying to have a good time getting riled up over islands they never heard of

sualipa · 23/05/2025 09:10

InterruptingRabbit · 23/05/2025 08:58

Oh don’t come in here with your facts when everyone is just trying to have a good time getting riled up over islands they never heard of

Can we send Farage and his mates there since they seem to love it so much and all these billions talked about I strongly suspect they are bollocks and fasle accounting to make it look really bad.

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 09:15

So you don't think it's politically naive?
(Try and answer without bringing up Farage or any other popular hate figures).
And how effective were the UN in any recent conflict? Answer, not at all. They're a paper tiger.

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randomchap · 23/05/2025 09:21

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 09:15

So you don't think it's politically naive?
(Try and answer without bringing up Farage or any other popular hate figures).
And how effective were the UN in any recent conflict? Answer, not at all. They're a paper tiger.

Following international law is a good thing.

Could you even point out the islands on a map without googling it? Had you even heard is them 6 months ago?

Thisiswhathings · 23/05/2025 09:21

Naive it what way ? Without this deal the base would be useless for what's it's used for now.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 23/05/2025 09:22

No it was necessary because it was only a matter of time before we lost it legally, after the UN ruling.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 23/05/2025 09:25

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 09:15

So you don't think it's politically naive?
(Try and answer without bringing up Farage or any other popular hate figures).
And how effective were the UN in any recent conflict? Answer, not at all. They're a paper tiger.

Do you think we should have ignored the UN/ICJ and hung on to the islands?

ExtraOnions · 23/05/2025 09:26

Let’s take back India at the same time.

Sad to see that the Imperialist nature of “Empire Britain” is still alive and well.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 23/05/2025 09:31

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 09:15

So you don't think it's politically naive?
(Try and answer without bringing up Farage or any other popular hate figures).
And how effective were the UN in any recent conflict? Answer, not at all. They're a paper tiger.

No, I think it's incredibly naive to assume that the UK can just ignore international law without consequence.

We are not in the days of Empire any more, contrary to what some might wish.

sualipa · 23/05/2025 09:39

Basically we were trying to hold onto it with an invalid claim in international law that could have severely impacted our continued long term use as as a secret base. Some pesky facts. We could have gone to war over it - that's a strategy - just a terrible one.

This deal serves the UK’s interests

By John Healey

For more than 50 years, the UK’s military base on Diego Garcia has been a launchpad to defeat terrorists, seek out and deter threats to our nation and protect our economic security.

There is one simple, inescapable fact – families across Britain are made safer by the activities of this base.

Our national security rests on securing a deal that serves the UK’s interests. A deal that retains operational sovereignty of this base. To surrender it now – amid rising threats to Britain’s national security – would be unthinkable.

That is why the Government has successfully negotiated a deal that means we can operate the base as we have done for the next 99 years and beyond.

Many of the key activities on Diego Garcia are rightly conducted in secrecy, and will always remain so. But it is widely acknowledged, by our allies and adversaries, that its location gives Britain and our allies a crucial strategic military advantage across the Indo-Pacific and the Middle East.

The continued operation of this base is also vital to maintaining a strong relationship with America, our closest security ally. Its airfield and deep-water port support a wide range of air and naval operations, including the safe berth of nuclear-powered submarines.

And the base allows for the rapid deployment of UK and US armed forces to the Middle East, east Africa and south Asia.

It is from Diego Garcia where we monitor the use of nuclear weapons across the globe. The base also supports the Global Positioning System, which everyone from astronauts to motorists, to our UK military, relies on to navigate. It also acts as a staging post for humanitarian aid and disaster relief missions in the region.

Diego Garcia strengthens Britain’s economic security – the economic security for families across our country.

More than a third of the world’s bulk cargo traffic and two thirds of global oil shipments is transported over the Indian Ocean. The base enables us to protect vital shipping routes, keeping the prices of food and energy down here at home.

Despite holding 11 rounds of talks with the Mauritian government, the previous Conservative government failed to secure the future of the base.

Now yesterday’s champions have become today’s critics. Anyone who would argue to abandon this deal would abandon the base. With the base in jeopardy, no action was no option when we came into Government.

Sitting on our hands was not an option. Were we to do nothing, within a matter of weeks our ability to patrol the waters around the base would be compromised. And if a deal were negotiated with an adversary, they could have exploited the situation by conducting covert operations, setting up outposts on surrounding islands and disrupting crucial communications systems on the base. This would deeply damage the security of the UK and our allies.

Agreeing this deal now – on our terms – means that the UK retains full control over Diego Garcia. It means control over movement of all persons and goods, control over all communication and electronic systems, and freedom to conduct any armed operations from the island – just as we have been able to do for the past 50 years.

And, crucially, it means nothing can be built within a strengthened, 24-nautical-mile buffer zone without Britain’s say so. A strict ban will be imposed on foreign security forces operating on the outer islands. That’s why our closest allies support this deal and why President Donald Trump described it as “very long term” and “very strong.”

As the world becomes more dangerous, Diego Garcia military base becomes more important. This Government will never compromise on our national security. We will always act to protect the British people. A steadfast commitment to our national security is the foundation of this Government’s Plan for Change. And with this deal, we have made Britain more secure at home and stronger abroad.

John Healey is the Defence Secretary

sualipa · 23/05/2025 09:42

And this bloke whose wife lives in Dubai thinks it's a bad idea so it's definatly a good one.

To think that the Chagos deal is incredibly stupid and harmful?
PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 09:47

Tice is an absolute tosser. That little piece of theatre will appeal to those misguided folk who think he has their interests at heart, though.

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 10:05

See, you guys can't keep away from Farage/Nice can you?
Could you even point out the islands on a map without googling it? Had you even heard is them 6 months ago?
No, I was ignorant. But, as people like to say, I educated myself.

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randomchap · 23/05/2025 10:08

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 10:05

See, you guys can't keep away from Farage/Nice can you?
Could you even point out the islands on a map without googling it? Had you even heard is them 6 months ago?
No, I was ignorant. But, as people like to say, I educated myself.

You educated yourself? Not very well by the sounds of it

Maybe you need to read outside your social media bubble. Read some newspapers which take a political stance you disagree with, so that you get a more rounded and nuanced understanding of the world.

Currently you appear to be just parroting Reform talking points. This isn't being educated, it's being an unwitting political shill

Sausagenbacon · 23/05/2025 10:10

Well, good for you for having the moral high ground

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