Millionaire on benefits- rare of course- but is it time for means testing disability benefits

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Close friend is a millionaire .
Has not worked since age 40 .
He now has a disability and on his account s advice , he claims non means tested benefits he says .

if this is indeed true- given that such benefits cater for additional expenses of living with a disability, and he absolutely does not need it .. isnt it time that this benefit is means tested in these different times to prioritise the financialy vulnerable.

He for example told me - unsure if its true - that he bought a beautiful 3k painting wirh the money.
it’s gorgeous ive seen it and it dows add value to daily living .

its a bit like the taxpayer is giving him a huge freebie and we cant afford it and those in his income bracket.

My parents are in almost the exact same position and are very wealthy but they did work hard all their lives before one of them claimed pip. Said parent had to retire early, as the work they are qualified to do, is impossible with their disability. Id blame the system not the individuals.

I know. It does not stop people posting myths about it.

He'll still need credits for state pension many people 'sign on' but only receive stamp credits.

Having a Disability is not a Capital gain !

Anyway how much tax and NI do you think he has paid over the time period of his working life.
If you want not to have PIP cuts due to the 4 point rule and Winter Fuel Allowance stopped, I suggest you demand a cut in the £5 million pound a day cost of housing. This of course spent on people not own economically destroying the country but socially and culturally.

I suppose you are another one who believes people who have paid large sums in Tax and NI over 40 years should not be eligible for a State Pension. These people need to be vet careful what they wish, because if the current tax and misspending/appropriation of Government does not stop I won't just be the current Multi- Millonaires leaving the UK but anybody who can.

I have to credit that it was started on a Monday. It’s like it’s been scheduled to kick us off.

Not only economically but socially screwing the country !

After the apocalypse, there will only be two groups that survive - cockroaches, and those who create goady disability benefit threads on Mumsnet.

How many millionaires are on PIP?

Before we shriek about it being means tested, let us at least look at the figures.

If someone is a high earner and a “millionaire” (this is a meaningless term these days since high house prices mean a lot to people fit this description based on property values) and they become disabled and unable to earn they should just deal with it and not be expected to get any benefits? Even though they paid in to the system via taxes when they did work? That is a dangerous road to go down. It’s not their fault they made good money, savings etc don’t last forever so how are they supposed to survive if they are unable to work?

It costs more to means test every pip claimant than it costs, just as it was in the winter fuel payment.
every able bodied person seems to froth over this, probably because they fail to consider the bigger picture( yes, I’m a pip claimant)
whether he needs the money is a moot point because living with a disability has been proven to cost £1k per month more however much you’ve got in the bank
Do not judge without knowing the full facts( especially someone you consider a “Friend”
Does he know you’re posting his personal information out for complete strangers opinions?
I wouldn’t want a friend like you, Frankly

‘why should they’ is such an outrageously entitled attitude that is sinking this country.

They should pay for themselves because they can. Benefits should only ever be a ‘if needed’ payment. Not an entitlement. That money doesn’t fall from the sky. It is paid by the taxpayer. Why do people think they should be funded by other people ever when they have resources to fund themselves.

I'm sorry I missed that one.

Did they have a suggestion for the ones who can't walk at all? 10 miles because they need it more? 🙃

PIP or Attendance allowance. Define a Millionaire. someone with an expensive house or someone with £10 million in the bank. Two completely different things by the way.

I know a Millionaire who gets PIP because when he went in to Hospital the negligence of the NHS caused in to get Meningitis and nearly killed him hence a payout of £1.3 million added to his other money.

So are you saying becoming Deaf is a Capital Gain...

Scientific fact: if you have no legs, walking 10 miles will make them grow back.

Ok, means test it at annual income plus cash assets of over 1million (not property, if you live in an expensive property you can still be struggling day to day!).

There you go, thats saved the government a couple of grand. Great job, well done you!

Yes... according the them, walking will build resilience.

I think keeping benefits like this universal is a great idea. It destigmatises claiming them and keeps them popular.

Wow. That's just crazy.

Some non means tested benefits are a gateway to other things e.g Blue Badge, assistance from charity groups, social services etc.

Even though they paid in to the system via taxes when they did work? That is a dangerous road to go down.

And what if they haven't ever worked or only paid a little tax? It's a dangerous road to go down if you start judging whether you've paid into the system or not.

Before we shriek about it being means tested, let us at least look at the figures.

It's not recorded as not means tested.

Define a Millionaire. someone with an expensive house or someone with £10 million in the bank. Two completely different things by the way.

You are a millionaire if you have assets worth that much after deducting any liabilities

Can we live without my child’s DLA? Yes, quite easily. It goes into a savings account to help him when he’s older.
However without claiming DLA for him we don’t get access to other vital support services.

stopped, I suggest you demand a cut in the £5 million pound a day cost of housing. This of course spent on people not own economically destroying the country but socially and culturally.

I suppose you are another one who believes people who have paid large sums in Tax and NI over 40 years should not be eligible for a State Pension.

Who gets the 5m a day spent on housing?

Difficult to believe.