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Chatgpt - heavy flattery. What does it tell you?

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myloverly · 19/05/2025 19:37

I know that Chatgpt had to be overhauled because it was so sycophantic. I make it correct itself by telling it to be honest and truthful and answer that way but it never lasts. It tells me I’m hyper-vigilant. What does it tell you? Has it told you anything shockingly insightful where it’s told you in a couple of lines what it took you 20 years to work out?f
I suppose i”m hoping i can use statistics/numbers to find out if it is still sycophantic.
This is not a AIBU. I hope i may be forgiven. Alternatively, i think ChatGPT is hopelessly sycophantic to the point where it is nearly useless. Do you agree?

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TheAutumnCrow · 20/05/2025 11:37

doodahdayy · 19/05/2025 20:59

It’s quite pathetic isn’t it

And yet still posters regularly appear on MN with appalling spelling, punctuation and grammar.

Maybe we’ll grow fond of their authenticity.

GlorNumEst · 20/05/2025 11:56

DrBlackbird · 20/05/2025 09:24

It is sycophantic because OpenAI has many competitors now and flattery will get you everywhere.

When the product is free, you are the product. These Silicon Valley billionaire tech bros want your data. All your data. There’s concern about model collapse for one, but more importantly, knowing everything about you, including all those intimate personal details you might be reluctant to share with a personal therapist, will mean it’s easier to influence you. Eventually.

We are just getting worried about the impact of social media esp on the young. Generative AI is social media on steroids.

I teach university students. Gen AI is deskilling them before my eyes. From one year to the next, students now cannot write long form essays. In a recent lecture, none said they read books. It is an incredible convenience and has its uses esp for students with SpLDs. However, it is not just telling students what to write, but how to think.

That is a lot of power in the hands of a few white young men in California and their employers, the billionaires who flirt with far right populist thinking, seek political power and have untold wealth. Look up about Peter Thiel, or Sam Altman or Elon Musk or “Palantir is here to disrupt and make the institutions we partner with the very best in the world and, when it’s necessary, to scare enemies and on occasion kill them” Palantir CEO Alex Karp. None of these men are particularly supportive of women. AI is baked through with misogyny.

Survey results tell us that in HE, young men in stem subjects use it the most and colleagues in the medical school are worried. In creating a dependency on it, we are in big trouble. Cognitive skills including critical thinking are developed by honing them on common or low stakes scenarios. Outsourcing the easy stuff is ultimately to our detriment.

And yes, Gen ai consumes absolutely vast quantities of computational energy, water, critical metals and minerals. Mini nuclear reactors are being proposed all over the US to meet the energy needs of AI. It is environmentally devastating and is ruining the planet. A google search query uses approx a tablespoon of water. Four or five ChatGPT queries uses a 500ml bottle of water.

In terms of harvesting your data, my students also say "oh but I’m not doing anything wrong" so it doesn’t matter that their data is being collected and used by these firms. However, what is considered ’wrong’ depends on those in charge. Searching for information on pregnancy termination can now be problematic for women in certain US states now. Criticising the American president can now stop you from entering the US now. The stasi were not so long ago and China operates on a social credit system based on how compliant you are as a citizen. None of this is about convenience or helping us, it’s about data, information and control.

Please don’t use it, if you don’t have to. And if you use it, understand how your inputs are being used, what data is being collected about you and why. If your children use it, try to limit its use and educate them on it’s troubling outcomes.

This is really good post.

GlorNumEst · 20/05/2025 11:57

NOt to be facetious but I wonder about the environmental impact of posting on Mn

And the data harvested.

RareMaker · 20/05/2025 11:57

doodahdayy · 19/05/2025 20:16

This post makes me weep for my children and any future descendants. Counselling and ego boosting from AI.

Me too.

ownroom · 20/05/2025 12:01

Does no one care about the environmental cost to using ChapGPT?

Justhereforthis · 20/05/2025 12:13

I feel really silly admitting this but how do I access it? My children are adults, I’m home alone most days due to ill health and much of the world passes me by!

OtherS · 20/05/2025 12:19

Justhereforthis · 20/05/2025 12:13

I feel really silly admitting this but how do I access it? My children are adults, I’m home alone most days due to ill health and much of the world passes me by!

https://chatgpt.com/

Just sign up and type questions. Conversations are listed on the left, and if you want to start a new conversation, there's a pen writing on paper sort of icon in the top left. It's really very simple to use, much easier than starting a thread on MN!

DrBlackbird · 20/05/2025 12:37

ownroom · 20/05/2025 12:01

Does no one care about the environmental cost to using ChapGPT?

Apparently not. Convenience trumps everything else.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 20/05/2025 12:41

Kalara · 19/05/2025 20:06

What is the point in telling it to be honest and truthful? You know it doesn't really know your personality.

It's just telling you what "people in general" like to hear - that they are right.

This
WTF 😁
This thread is making me think of the Evil Queen asking the mirror who's the fairest in the land
Just with a programmed chat thing instead of a mirror 😂
Madness with a tinge of sadness imo

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 20/05/2025 12:41

RareMaker · 20/05/2025 11:57

Me too.

Me three

Christwosheds · 20/05/2025 12:49

ObliviousCoalmine · 19/05/2025 20:05

No, you’re right. The whole thing is gross. Environmentally and cognitively.

Agree with this.

DrBlackbird · 20/05/2025 12:50

LeviOceanStar · 20/05/2025 09:55

Unfortunately big tech are pretty determined we will use AI whether we want to or not.

Hence WhatsApp now has an assistant you can't remove and Google has no option to switch off its AI summary at the top of the search.

Effectively the AI summary in google means our information is now filtered in a way which means we do not know the underlying sources, we cannot verify them and the information can be manipulated as preferred.

To be honest even without the AI summary many websites will be written using it meaning the same issues will apply.

Edited

Agree. It’s depressing when we can see the outcomes playing out in real time in the US. Govt services replaced by private commercial firms. Run by tech billionaires.

We can at least try not to make so easy for them. Deny use of all cookies. Use VPNs. Don’t use Gen ai for everything. It doesn’t have to be a search engine. Use duckduckgo instead of google. The information in Google pages is filtered. Teach your children to consume and use technology critically. Use Signal instead of WhatsApp etc.

Ultimately, be careful who you vote for…it’s not a pretty future for our children as western nations sleep walk into a surveillance state under the guise of convenience and ‘smart’ cities etc. Or, like the US, a police surveillance state.

Especially as women and mothers of daughters. Though it does no service to our sons either.

Tessiebear2023 · 20/05/2025 13:00

And with your massive thinking brain you thought she was being literal?

Justhereforthis · 20/05/2025 13:28

OtherS · 20/05/2025 12:19

https://chatgpt.com/

Just sign up and type questions. Conversations are listed on the left, and if you want to start a new conversation, there's a pen writing on paper sort of icon in the top left. It's really very simple to use, much easier than starting a thread on MN!

Thank you! I’m alarmed at how quickly I’ve lost touch with the modern world!

doodahdayy · 20/05/2025 16:51

I saw a local cafe being advertised via Facebook today and the information was a blatant copy and paste from ChatGPT including the awful graphics. What a way to put people off before entering.

RelocatingtoFrance · 20/05/2025 18:04

same point as previously made
check the data comparing one hour convo with chatGPT, eating a beef burger, and 1h of netflix streaming

www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/carbon-footprint-chatgpt

RelocatingtoFrance · 20/05/2025 18:07

the irony of being so adament that all critical ability will erode whilst simultaneously accepting the environmental cost argument without reviewing data in the context of other environmentally negative behaviours.

Idontknowhatnametochoose · 20/05/2025 18:35

I feel very uncomfortable with it. I used it once but it didn't appeal to me. I worry about how things will end up with AI taking over and how freely and willingly people are allowing it to happen..

PickANumber · 20/05/2025 19:10

I use co pilot even on a 2 sentence email. It untangles my waffle and make my emails sound so great

dailygrowl · 08/07/2025 06:42

ChatGPT is useful if English is not one's first language or when someone has sent you something rude or horrible and it's too stressful thinking of something polite or calm when you really want to give them an earful (but might lose your job if you do) so ChatGPT or AI can provide a polite template (like the equivalent of a form letter) for a reply. Aside from these scenarios, it's not wise to rely on ChatGPT for communication.

temperedolive · 08/07/2025 06:45

What are you asking it, that flattery could be an appropriate response for? I use it like a search engine to find information, so it never has any reason to give me a flattering or unflattering response.

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