Vaccination against cervical cancer/HPV

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This vaccination protects against a sexually transmitted virus which can lead to cancer and other problems. Does anyone know why is it recommended as standard for children from 11 years, is it because there is perceived realistic risk of sexual contact occuring from this age?

Best they get vaccinated before they start having it then, isn't it? Means they don't have dying of cancer or having their penis amputated as a consequence of an impulsive (or non consensual) action at 15 or 16 years old.

Newborns are vaccinated against hepatitis B which is also sexually transmitted as well as by drug users sharing needles.

The reason babies and young children get these vaccines against STIs is mostly because the older a child gets, the lower the rates of vaccination. Parents are less likely to ensure vaccines are done the older the child gets. There was just a news article of a poor girl who had to have all four limbs amputated because her parents couldn’t be arsed to get her the meningitis (MenB) vaccine that is for 16-18 yr olds.

You could try the World Health Organization’s report?
https://www.who.int/teams/immunization-vaccines-and-biologicals/diseases/human-papillomavirus-vaccines-(HPV)
Honestly OP, you’re overthinking but under-researching. The NHS is not out to get you on this. Big public health decisions like vaccine schedules are made based on cost/risk/benefit analysis. You don’t have the time or the medical/statistical background to read and understand all the research that goes into these decisions. I’m not trying to insult your intelligence here - I’m just pointing out that crunching those numbers and understanding what they mean is a full time job for a team of experts, not something it’s fair to expect non-experts like us to wade through it all in depth in their spare time. So you’re going to be reading summaries and meta-analyses of varying complexity. You don’t have a choice but to trust the organizations publishing those summaries if you want to read summaries of actual research and not anecdotes and speculation. Do you trust the WHO? If you don’t trust the NHS then do you trust the cumulative wisdom of the 64 countries who have decided to include an hpv vaccine in their public health programs?

Anecdotally, I've personally been in colposcopy for many years with a stubborn strain of HPV. I was in the first cohort to be vaccinated in Ireland in 2010. I've never caught one of the strains I am vaccinated against. I've caught strains not included in the original vaccine. Not sure how that holds up against the research as it is just my story, but seems like my immunity has held up 15 years in. They keep telling me I'm so lucky I'm vaccinated against the most dangerous strains, as obviously my body is struggling with HPV for some reason. It has caused cell changes on and off over the years, but won't cause aggressive cervical cancer.

Your post is patronising and massively projecting!

I think the NHS is amazing on the whole, though, if that gives you any reassurance.

That sounds really good and I hope it all goes well!

It’s not meant to be patronizing! I just don’t understand what it is you’re looking for here? Why don’t you trust that this vaccine is being given to early secondary school kids based on research into when it’s going to be most effective? You’re looking for a hidden agenda where there’s no reason to expect one. You’re making illogical assumptions and I don’t really understand why.

i never had the vaccination and on my recent screening i don’t have the virus. i didn’t get my girls vaccinated either. we are in middle east/ they barely leave the house. they can have it later if they want to

@Upinthetreetops ' post was really not patronising. But the fact that you perceive it as such explains the nature of your posts. I thought Upinthetreetops' post was informative and measured and a very good contribution to the topic. Also do you actually understand the meaning of projecting? (And yes this may sound patronising).

Is there any reason your daughters have not had the jab?

It's been in the media a lot over the last 5 years or so. There have been global studies showing teenagers are engaging later in sexual activity and that young people are having generally less sex all together than previous generations.

Here is a recent (unfortunately daily fail but references a specific study and stats related to level of activity of teens in the UK): www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13042663/Fewer-teens-having-sex-age-15-number-falls-girls-active-boys.html

When I was at school (I'm late 30s) there was a lot of teenage sex and pregnancies. It was common to see very young teenage mums around. I'm now a mum myself and there are barely any mums under mid 20s let alone teens in the baby groups or in the town.

Supported by data: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/conceptionstatistics/2021

Teenage pregnancies have halved since 2011 alone. You can find plenty of reports which tells a common story globally across the Western world including the UK.

What? Of course not! Fgs

they just don’t offer it here. i suppose the whole sex before marriage thing is frowned upon so introducing the jab would go against their whole ideology. they can ofcourse have it at some point when we are back in uk before they start any relationship.

But you can pick up the virus without having sex. Your daughter could be a virgin upon marriage but there's no guarantee that her husband ( or herself even) hadnt had any skin to skin contact with someone carrying the virus. It's a medical issue not a moral one.
If it needed penetrative sex then no lesbians would get it , which definitely isn't the case

yeh like i said, they can have it in uk before starting relationships

Sorry haven’t read past page 1, it’s late.

people have already explained.

year 8 back in the olden days was second year. the year I and many others had the rubella injection to protect babies in future pregnancies. So nothing new.

Will they be allowed out of the the house in the UK? I'm not sure how old yet are ( or will be) but maybe look at how long the vaccine takes to become effective if they are over the age 12/13 that it's normally done here.

it’s unlikely that we will ever live in the uk, we just go back to visit my mom. they are 17 and 15 and they are allowed out of the house here but they usually choose to go for lunch with the girls or cinema/ race track/ trampolining. they have lived a very sheltered life. some ways it’s sad to me but in other ways i’m grateful for it.

They haven’t gone out recently because 1 has a levels and the other gcses.

The culture they have grown up in very much pushes no sex before marriage and my girls also believe it that so they will be vaccinated a long time before that happens.

Why don't you just vaccinated them privately now?