To not understand how tightening legal immigration

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I just don't understand how tightening the rules on legal immigration is going to bring immigration down?
surly to 'stop the boats' we need more legal ways for people to arrive?
i feel like it's going to increase the illegal ways of arrival through lack of choice.
i think instead of government funded asylum hotels costing millions and taking years at the government expense, give them a work permit and make people pay their way immediately, pay tax immediately whilst the claim is decided.
Argued about this with my friends last night and want to know if Aibu.

A Syrian family. Ukrainian refugees. Not the thousands of young men arriving from a safe part of mainland Europe who historically would be the last to leave countries at war.

@dappy777 is right.

But the vast majority of immigration is legal, and I’d guess that the vast majority of those people would not turn to illegal immigration if the legal options were closed. People coming here to study at university for example - they won’t arrive in a boat, they’ll just go to uni somewhere else. The people who come here legitimately on a work visa can’t get the same job if they arrive illegally - they can’t turn up on a boat and go and get that job as a nurse the next day for example.

They're not leaving countries at war. They're leaving countries with authoritarian governments. You need to have a well founded fear of persecution to get refugee status.

I think is wonderful that the uk is helping so much.

Really? Some female asylum seekers are turning to selling sex to feed their children. They get a pittance and are under constant threat from far right thugs.

I mean the uk is welcoming with helping them not sending them back.
The more that can get in the uk the better.

Have you looked at how criminal gangs treat women and girls on the way to the UK?

Another reason we shouldn’t support their vast profits by enabling this system.

It's illegal to send them back without processing them so we're just obeying the law.

The Tories purposefully created a 'hostile environment', didn't process their claims, keeping them in limbo and they live on a pittance.

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Costs and crossings are going up with Labour which people will start to vote against.

What on earth are you on about?

I'm sure they're sincere.

@MiloMinderbinder925 did you not see the news last summer, the amount of homes on the south coast to scared to leave their homes due to those coming on small boats attempting break ins etc. Not to mention as I previously stated asylum seekers are required to seek Asylum in the first safe country they get too. If they board the boats in France we'll they are not coming her because they are fleeing persecution but because the French will not put them up in a 5 star hotel, hand them a shit load of cash on a weekly basis and put them higher up the housing ladder than their own citizens despite them having never paid a dime into the system.

Asylum seekers are absolutely not required to seek asylum in the first safe country they get too!!!
The vast vast majority do, but people can request asylum wherever they want! It might not be granted, but they can request it.

I did not see that news.

Asylum seekers are not required to seek safety in the first safe country.

I'm sorry that you are in such a poor financial situation that you think £8 or £50 a week is 'a shit load of cash'.

Asylum seekers aren't entitled to buy houses or rent houses or get social housing.

@MiloMinderbinder925 you are correct their country of origin is not France, that means that as France is a safe country, they should be legally declaring asylum in France or which ever country they passed through first that is considered safe. NOT carrying on to get to the UK for handouts. They are coming her to get what they can out of a broken system to send it back home to their families, often to build themselves nice houses back home before leaving again. It's about time this country closed its borders and said if you enter illegally you WILL BE DEPORTED AND YOU WILL NOT ENTER AGAIN. You dont see Australia being bombarded because they have tight controls.

Asylum seekers aren't entering the country illegally.

It's not the law that people have to claim asylum in the first safe country or France.

We're an Island and can't 'close the border' nor deport people who haven't been processed.

@MiloMinderbinder925 you must be on another planet the accommodation alone is costing the tax payer for more than £50 per week let alone school places, medical care etc in an already broken system. It's no wonder the likes of Farage are making a bloody come back. I can't stand the guy but to some extent he has a point. We have enough homeless people in our own country that no one else is helping. Shouldn't we be putting them in hotels and housing them to help them get jobs etc before we help out people breaking our laws to be here.

It's not me who's on another planet. I'm not the one making ridiculous statements.

Oh my goodness. Yet again no clear understanding of the proportions and the effect of the numbers

Illigal immigration makes up about 4.7% of immigration. Reducing these numbers is important but is not going to reduce the resources being used by immigrants that much (if that is your objection ot illeal immigrants, mine isn't I just object because they should be here legally not illegally)

. We have a surplus of 900k immigrants this year (ie those who came minus those who left) a majority of those were on student visas

Half a million study visas were granted last year. These count in the 900K numbers . To reduce that 900K we need to reduce legal immigration considerably. That takes time to change the visa rules for new arrivals
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2025/summary-of-latest-statistics

Unless of course you want to illegally throw out those already here legally.? If your answer to that is yes then I can't convince you of anything of course.