Junior Doctors Unemployment in August

[PurpleFairyLights]

Name changed but long term poster. Have a child that is in this situation with 100k of student debt.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2025-05-07/bma-we-could-potentially-see-thousands-of-unemployed-doctors

Unbelievable this was allowed. Most countries protect their medical graduates.

Medical school places are closely aligned with number of foundation year 1 vacancies available per year.

Someone on this thread said non-UK medical graduates can now apply for F1 posts but never heard that before.

Also doctors are exactly the same as everyone else in terms of repayment and salaries. There are other processions that cost a lot too but not paid for by the state. We need those people too.

Very good point.

@PurpleFairyLightsanyone with the required accredited degree can apply for F1. From
anywhere in the world. Hence the 700 placeholders. The foundation jobs should be there for them, but they’ve been taken by non UK graduates. Utter madness !

Buckingham is a different case as it’s entirely privately funded. But most new medical school places are funded in the standard way - ie they cost the government a significant amount of money on top of what the student pays in loans/grants/bursaries etc.

@NCJD Yes! So why are they approved? Clearly disjointed thinking.

@TizerorFizzwell those people can fight their case too. We are talking about doctors here. Who have 1 employer. No option to move elsewhere for better pay (& conditions). They are treated like shit in this country for some reason.

They don't pay them off early. That post is ridiculous.

@PurpleFairyLights people really do believe doctors are well paid. They think they earn £100,000+. Bonkers.

They do have an option. Abroad. It actually does matter about everyone else. No one is special. Doctors think they should be but fairness should extend to everyone. Do you think all jobs in the private sector should be uk candidates only? It’s not a sustainable position but wannabe doctors have to weigh everything up and one consideration is employment. Like everyone else.

This means the situation is even worse than I thought. I thought it was only specialty training that opened up to applications worldwide.

Unfortunately not. It starts from day 1 😡

same here please

Your posts show complete ignorance. Not sure if it is deliberate or not.

Going abroad is not rally an option as all other countries protect their own medical graduates so there are no opportunities to apply to work abroad except Australia or New Zealand if you want to tale one of their short term left over jobs. They are rarely training posts.

They can go into the lucrative private sector and teachers, nurses etc only have 1 employer.

Doctors are far better paid than most of the country, they should pay for their own degree.

Most private medical jobs are for consultants

They can go into the lucrative private sector

There is pretty much zero role for any doctor below a consultant with significant experience in the private sector. I am a doctor and I kind of agree that we need to be careful not to put medicine on a pedestal. But arguing that there are options other than the NHS for 99% of doctors is completely false I’m afraid.

Well we should definitely be making sure that all
jobs go to uk trained doctors and nurses first however sorry no they shouldn’t be getting their degree for free.

This is totally irrelevant.
We’re not talking about the private sector here. We’re talking about the NHS- a taxpayer funded health system, and a medical training system which the taxpayer also greatly contributes to.

And my DS, he hugely regrets it sadly. Started on £14.83 per hour I think. Was used to prone COVID patients 8 hours a day whilst at university as part of his education and training Now in first year of CST, 2 degrees and as you showed earlier is the lowest paid staff on the ward on bank holidays, friends scattered, no social life, not at any one hospital long enough to bond with colleagues, constantly jumping though hoops for next training and paying 8% compound interest on his £130k loan.

@awishes they are treated like rubbish. People do not realise quite how rubbish. No say in how often and where they have to move ever 6-12 months.

The ‘work private for lots of money’ just shows the lack of understanding. You need to be a consultant to do this, and there are not enough jobs to even get your first foot on that ladder.

No one says the degree should be free. But paying it off in exchange for a lowered pay ‘rise’ (will still
not be FPR) is one way for the government to fund more doctors.

@CurrentHun Yes and appears to grossly overspend on! How foolish are we? It’s not irrelevant to weigh up employment prospects! Everyone should do this. Doctors thought they didn’t have to and that was a complete luxury. It’s long been the case that others wanting to be state employees have had to think about employment prospects. Try walking into the civil service without competition?

Honestly @TizerorFizzi really don’t think you understand what is happening in the NHS. The dumbing down of medicine is causing deaths - read about the AU vs GMC case in the high court this week. Why is this not front page news ? A patient died as they thought they’d seen a Dr but it was a PA, who didn’t know what they were doing.

Doctors are special. We will all need them at one point in our lives. Not like lawyers.

But the government will have a bill
to pay it off so will be no better off- and there are a shed load other professionals paid less who quite rightly could ask for the same thing .

@R3s3t student loans have nothing to do with the government. SFE is its own company. Charging 7% interest. If other professions are underpaid and think they should get their loan repaid they could fight for that too. Although they could just change companies for higher wages and promotion. Doctors can’t.