Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

19 year old in charge of Children’s Services for Leicestershire Council

239 replies

MmeChoufleur · 17/05/2025 12:13

Reform have appointed a 19 year old, Councillor Charles Pugsley, to run Children’s Services for Leicestershire County Council, . How would you feel about this if you lived in the borough and had SEND children?

Does this make a mockery of democracy, handing over such an important role to a person with no experience in the workplace, certainly not at any high level?

Will this make Reform voters sit up and think about the consequences of voting for this party?

OP posts:
NotjustCo2 · 17/05/2025 13:18

MmeChoufleur · 17/05/2025 12:41

My apologies if I’ve misunderstood the role. Would he not be in charge of budgets, or hiring/firing a new Director for example? And would that Director not be bound by whatever strategy the council dictates?

I am a friend of the Director of Children and Family Services for Leicester. She is a middle aged woman, with a strong background in the field, and a very nice and capable person. What she is not is a 19 year old young man!

NotjustCo2 · 17/05/2025 13:20

whitewineandsun · 17/05/2025 12:15

Fucking hell. That's insane.

It's also not correct!

I know the real Director of Children's Services for Leicester and she's not a 19 year old young person.

NotjustCo2 · 17/05/2025 13:22

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 17/05/2025 12:32

This.
Councillors have less influence than you might think. Often, inexperienced councillors will find themselves differing to council officers.

The Chief Officer of children and families seems to be a woman called Jane Moore. I'd imagine she's got a slightly more impressive CV.

She has, and is indeed very experienced and a thoroughly nice person to boot! edit to say (in a personal capacity, never been to work with her)

Seeline · 17/05/2025 13:25

Having worked in several local Councils and had dealings with numerous Councillors, I can say that very many if them have no prior knowledge of the Departments that they oversee. They have no knowledge of the relevant legislation. They rely on the professional officers of the Council (the staff) to provide them with the relevant information.

MayaPinion · 17/05/2025 13:25

Growlybear83 · 17/05/2025 13:09

As others have said, he’s a councillor and has been appointed as the cabinet member for children’s services, so won’t have any involvement in the day to day running of the department. Children’s Services will still be run by the Director and the senior officers in the department. I’ve worked in local government for over 50 years and have seen many changes from Labour to Conservative and vice versa over the years, and there has generally not been a significant impact on the way the day to day services are run.

This. So much of CS relates to its statutory duties (e.g. schools under its control, cared for children, etc.) so there’s very little discretionary spending. Council budgets have been cut to the bone anyway so this is really about oversight. If you were, of course, concerned about any aspect of CS, you should write to him or send him an email. It’s important to find out if story time is on at the library, what books Year 1’s should be reading, whether the local leisure Centre does children’s swim time…

Sabire9 · 17/05/2025 13:26

The outgoing person said the following: "This is a huge role with over 200 statutory duties as set out in the Children Act 2004"

Charles Pugsley is claiming to 'know the challenges our community faces'.

The only other information about him online is that he's just left his 35K a year private school. 😂

LakieLady · 17/05/2025 13:29

AlastheDaffodils · 17/05/2025 12:20

He’s not “running” children‘s services day-to-day. He’s the councillor with responsibility for them. It’s a part time oversight-type role. The department won’t fall apart.

It’s still stupid though.

Quite!

Anyone who's ever worked at a senior level in local government will know how easy it is for officers to get councillors to make the decisions the officers want made, and to prevent them from making decisions they don't want. That's especially true in an area like children's services, where there's a strong statutory framework and where powers are fairly limited, since so much is devolved to school leaders.

Tbh, I'm more concerned that he's a Reform councillor than that he's only 19.

Kateb12 · 17/05/2025 13:34

If you are good enough you are old enough... plenty of people who have worked in industries for years and are useless at their jobs. I don't see your point.

lifeonmars100 · 17/05/2025 13:35

Do not doubt he will be pushing Farage's views on SEND and that is very worrying and yes, he is too young no matter what his views. 19 is not old enough to be a portfolio holder

ThatFlyIsMySpiritAnimal · 17/05/2025 13:37

Anyone actually working in local government will be very well versed in dealing with inexperienced, hard of thinking elected members with no experience in the areas they’re ’responsible’ for.

Ihateslugs · 17/05/2025 13:37

MrsKeats · 17/05/2025 12:21

You forgot some key information here op-he’s Reform too.
Given that 6 Reform councillors have already resigned I doubt he will last long.

I’ve missed this information, is that 6 in one council or over them all?

BethDuttonYeHaw · 17/05/2025 13:37

Councillors (of any age) are not actually in charge of running anything.

there are full time paid experienced professionals in place who run the services

councillors are there to hold the paid professionals to account on behalf of the electorate.

your thread fundamentally demonstrates that you don’t understand how democracy and local services work.

lifeonmars100 · 17/05/2025 13:40

ThatFlyIsMySpiritAnimal · 17/05/2025 13:37

Anyone actually working in local government will be very well versed in dealing with inexperienced, hard of thinking elected members with no experience in the areas they’re ’responsible’ for.

Very true, I have a couple of friends who are salaried employees of our council and both say that some of the councillors they have to sometimes meet and liaise with do not have even a basic grasp of facts and issues.

AnneElliott · 17/05/2025 13:43

ThatFlyIsMySpiritAnimal · 17/05/2025 13:37

Anyone actually working in local government will be very well versed in dealing with inexperienced, hard of thinking elected members with no experience in the areas they’re ’responsible’ for.

Yes this! It won’t be the first time they’ve had to ‘manage upwards’.

nomoreforks · 17/05/2025 13:44

I worked with a guy about 15 years ago who was a complete nightmare. He was a temp and was hugely difficult particularly with women. In the end I think he was asked to leave. He ended up becoming the leader of a council in London . I saw his face in the newspaper (I remembered him as he was the most horrible person I have ever encountered in a work environment) and I couldn't believe it. He knew absolutely nothing about anything but was very rude and aggressive in quite a scary way. From what I remember he was caught up in some controversy in approving some sort of multi-million housing project and he was sacked. It feels like the people we most need to be involved in politics (rational and sane with actual knowledge) are the people who would run a mile from politics as the environment is so toxic.

FuckityFux · 17/05/2025 13:47

ClearHoldBuild · 17/05/2025 12:43

I didn’t vote for reform, but you never know, a 19 in charge might be the kick up the arse the department needs.

What is the problem with the department currently?

ClearHoldBuild · 17/05/2025 13:50

FuckityFux · 17/05/2025 13:47

What is the problem with the department currently?

Haven’t a clue.

LumiK · 17/05/2025 13:55

MozartJoy · 17/05/2025 12:58

23 Reform councillors have resigned as of today.

Because of the abuse they're getting.

Fuckitydoodah · 17/05/2025 13:58

ZepherinDrouhin · 17/05/2025 12:15

Well this is going to be interesting, let's see how long he'll last. Are there any compromising pictures of him or reports of anti social behaviour since he's only 19 so they'll be easily found on the Internet?!!

Just because he's 19 and probably shouldn't have been appointed, you'd condone potentially wrecking his life?

YellowOrangePink · 17/05/2025 13:58

MozartJoy · 17/05/2025 12:55

Mhairi Black was fantastic.

Not everyone shares that opinion

Whoarethoseguys · 17/05/2025 14:01

SickofSoup · 17/05/2025 12:14

I hadn’t spotted this but it affects me. Fabulous.

What is fabulous about an inexperienced teenage boy having oversight of educational services? Including how budgets are spent?

VaddaABeetch · 17/05/2025 14:01

JasmineAllen · 17/05/2025 12:57

This.

Give the guy a chance. You can't say someone isn't capable just because of their age FGS.

Not that he’s not capable but that he doesn’t have the experience.

I’m learning Italian, I can order in a restaurant & have a basic conversation. I wouldn’t put myself forward as an interpreter at the UN

MozartJoy · 17/05/2025 14:03

LumiK · 17/05/2025 13:55

Because of the abuse they're getting.

Or because they have to attend meetings and they didn’t understand what being a councillor entails.

Plotzbluemonday · 17/05/2025 14:04

MmeChoufleur · 17/05/2025 12:13

Reform have appointed a 19 year old, Councillor Charles Pugsley, to run Children’s Services for Leicestershire County Council, . How would you feel about this if you lived in the borough and had SEND children?

Does this make a mockery of democracy, handing over such an important role to a person with no experience in the workplace, certainly not at any high level?

Will this make Reform voters sit up and think about the consequences of voting for this party?

Prior incumbent was possibly much worse than a 19 year old.

MozartJoy · 17/05/2025 14:04

YellowOrangePink · 17/05/2025 13:58

Not everyone shares that opinion

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Swipe left for the next trending thread