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How does learning to read really work ? When does the c - a - t sounding out stop ?

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fonic · 17/05/2025 07:51

Hello very smart ladies of Mumsnet. I’m curious about the learning to read process. My DD is in reception.

She has gone from learning single letter sounds M A etc, to blending the sounds C - A - T. Etc. all fine.

now she’s moving through the RWI programme with the different books. She recognises some words really well- especially the red words of course- like AND and THE. Here she sees it and doesn’t need to sound it out, she just knows it by sight reading.

but lots of other words, she still needs to sound out. I see her fluency getting better, but it’s quite a slow process.

how does this work ? Does it just go on like this for ages ?

she seems to be moving through the book bands and the sentences are getting longer, but I do wonder how she’s actually processing as I can’t always tell that it’s much better. She’s on the pink books now, if that helps. Which should mean she’s doing alright, but I just can’t always see it when she reads.

it’s probably not helped by the fact that she often doesn’t want to do her reading practice and isn’t in the mood for it, so she doesn’t really try.

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Annoyeddd · 17/05/2025 10:15

Some children will whizz through the early phonics and can be reading fluently (with understanding etc) but then they have to do the phonics test with about 50% made up words.
DS hated this and wouldn't co operate even to the point of school wanting him to resit. Absolutely pointless in some children.
Btw this was over ten years ago and he got 9s at GCSE in both English language and literature so don't worry too much.
It is getting to the time when some academic invents yet another new way of letting read and schools have to shell out for yet another syst

Didimum · 17/05/2025 10:20

fonic · 17/05/2025 09:34

@Didimumit’s not a me problem at all. I give her the space to do it as she wants. I’m just describing how she is. I’m not judging. Other parents would be way more pushy than me, literally forcing kids to sit down to do their work. I go with the flow of how she is. Sorry for describing how my child is. You are obviously just wanting to stick the knife into me.

You’re asking for advice, people are giving it you. Perhaps self reflect on that instead of getting defence.

I didn’t say you were being pushy, nor did I say you were judging – you’re the only one using those terms. I said you should try to relax about it, because for the reasons I stated, you are creating a problem that doesn’t exist.

Adver · 17/05/2025 10:39

Chloe793 · 17/05/2025 09:44

If she doesn't want the read the words at the beginning of the book then i wouldn't make her - why not just get her to look at them and read them to her yourself.

These beginning books are so dull and it's so slow when they're just learning. Try to just be patient, and try different ways of doing things, take it in turns to read a page, read the book to her while running your finger under the words and her following along, talk about the pictures, use silly voices, pretend you're the dog/cat character, have a cuddly toy and get her to read to them. Anything to make it a bit different/more fun and engaging.

Personally this whole idea of not saying 'cuh' or 'muh' is just a latest trend IMO (and there have been many in how kids should learn to read) and I really don't think it's that great. IME kids find it much harder to make these sounds correctly and they really don't always blend well. 'Mum' is a good example IMO, 'muh - uh - muh' to my ear sounds exactly like mum. 'mmm - u - mmm' sounds absolutely nothing like mum. The kids find the 'mmm' sound difficult and it ends up in all sorts of variations 'oom' 'umm' etc that don't work at all and have to be constantly corrected. 'Nnn' ends up as 'unn' and is another one I was constantly correcting when listening to readers.

I taught ds 'muh' and 'cuh' etc and he was the first kid in his class to move on to chapter books in Yr2. This was many years ago now when I didn't realise things had changed. Blending is one of those things that just clicks one day IME though. They suddenly just get it. Be patient OP!

It's not a typical faddy trend though in that it's been used in many English speaking countries for 20+ years now. Your mum example only works because the second sound is u. You don't need a huge long mmmm, just a very short one. I don't worry too much about whether my own children say mu or mmm because I know they have the natural academic ability to learn to read pretty quickly anyway, but for some children it makes a big difference.

fonic · 17/05/2025 11:06

@DidimumI can and have taken advice but it’s not a ‘ me ‘ problem. That’s just harsh. First of all, there’s not really a problem. I was actually wondering about how the learning to read process works.

I then described my daughter’s behaviour and attitude towards reading, which could be classed as a problem I guess. But her reading speed isn’t a problem at all, the way she’s learning to read isn’t a problem. It’s clearly just a process and a process I’m not yet familiar with it and sometimes I’m surprised because it doesn’t seem like she’s improving that much, that’s all.

she clearly is improving though and she’s on pink books, which means she’s actually doing quite well. Despite her not practicing with me every day at home. I don’t see there is a problem and I don’t see there’s a me problem.

I am just doing my best to understand a system I’m not familiar with and a process I am not familiar with. I’m doing what I can to support her and this post has been useful for me.

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Anononony · 17/05/2025 12:39

I think it seems slow and like they're not really getting it for quite a while then it very quickly clicks for them

My eldest was still struggling with the biff and chip books at 7, then one day over lockdown it clicked and he was reading harry potter! This was over lockdown so no extra intervention or anything, actually less, as we had a newborn and were trying to WFH, he just seemed to 'get it' all of a sudden

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