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SATS cheating - by the Head!

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Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

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Mumofoneandone · 16/05/2025 22:00

Not acceptable and needs reporting, simple as that. It's cheating by the head and it is serious.

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:00

I find it fascinating, and rather telling, that people are trying to convince the op not to report.

I think it's time for independent invigilation of SATS. (Or we just scrap them)

TheFrendo · 16/05/2025 22:00

Report it.

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 22:01

Orangesinthebag · 16/05/2025 21:52

Not in SATS tests, there have to be two people in the testing room at all times.

That is definitely not true.

There are tons of "testing rooms" when the SATs take place so that children who need a reader or one-to-one can be alone with them and not distracted by others. The spouses and parents of teachers often come in to be the readers and one-to-ones because there just aren't enough members of staff. There definitely aren't enough members of staff or willing volunteers for each room (we used 12 this week, to give you an idea) to have more than one adult in them!

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:01

JasmineAllen · 16/05/2025 21:51

@Dilemmaramma
I have 3 children who have done SATS. None of their schools took any notice of them. In fact 2 school actually told me what waste of time they were as a predictive tool for achievement.

The only thing SATS are used for is scoring schools, not the pupils. That's why the head is so keen for the students to do well.

You could report the head but personally I wouldn't about something so inconsequential.

Cheating isn't "inconsequential". It's a monstrous example to set children. And these Headteachers are making themselves look good at the expense of honest ones

Theunamedcat · 16/05/2025 22:01

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

Predicted results will be changed by their own tests my kids secondary schools repeated sat testing after they had started plus there is a lot of set movements in year 7=8

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 16/05/2025 22:02

I’d report it.

CyanSquid · 16/05/2025 22:02

Another secondary school teacher here who’s had experience of children with high KS2 prior attainment scores that definitely don’t reflect their ability, and a few instances of children telling of ‘help’ from TA/teacher/scribe etc. Obviously you can’t believe everything teenagers say but I can definitely believe it happens!

FWIW in my school SATs scores are taken into account with setting and predicted grades too

1SillySossij · 16/05/2025 22:02

You can report but it will be your dc's word against the Head and the TA's.what will probably happen is that they will probably be moderated next year.

DidStart · 16/05/2025 22:03

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 21:51

Where did you get this idea from? Of course the head can be alone in a room with children.

Not during SATS. Strict administration rules means at least two adults, all with administration training must be present at all times. Good practice is to have a governor overseeing too. Schools often have volunteer parents attending.

Even the SATS papers are moved, counted, packaged with two adults present at all times.
If the storage cupboard is opened at any point this also has to be logged and double signed.

It really is a huge system.

MaryGreenhill · 16/05/2025 22:04

Sats are ridiculous. They tested my August born child and predicted she would have a 50% chance of getting 5 GCSEs 🙄
She got 12 GCSEs and 4 A levels all excellent grades .
She then did an honours degree course in Primary teaching with QT Status .
Gaining a first .
So l wouldn't take them to task OP for erasing and prompting. It's all nonsense and sounds like the head teacher knows it too .

HurryUpHilda · 16/05/2025 22:04

I'm astonished by the responses on here. I think most people on here would agree that SATs are well past their sell by date. I'm not sure that gives Primary Heads carte blanche to walk round an exam room changing answers. Would these posters be quite so laissez faire abour Head teachers changing GCSE or, gasp, A Level answers?
Of course they wouldn't, report, report, report.

Hwi · 16/05/2025 22:05

Love it when MNers try to outdo each other in virtue-signalling. Bravo!

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:06

Hwi · 16/05/2025 22:05

Love it when MNers try to outdo each other in virtue-signalling. Bravo!

Really?

Some people just have high moral standards.

My job depends on me always acting with integrity. I would have assumed teachers would hold themselves to the same standards, but judging by this thread a lot of teachers see nothing wrong with cheating. Fascinating.

IButtleSir · 16/05/2025 22:08

DidStart · 16/05/2025 22:03

Not during SATS. Strict administration rules means at least two adults, all with administration training must be present at all times. Good practice is to have a governor overseeing too. Schools often have volunteer parents attending.

Even the SATS papers are moved, counted, packaged with two adults present at all times.
If the storage cupboard is opened at any point this also has to be logged and double signed.

It really is a huge system.

I've just 'done' (as a Y6 teacher) my fifth set of SATs. Not once, in any of those years, has any of the rooms had more than one adult in it.

We've always just had one adult (e.g. deputy head) wandering around and checking on each room at random.

ETA: Where do you work where you have enough spare adults to do this?!

Yellowbluemonday · 16/05/2025 22:08

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:16

In my DC’s final SATS exam yesterday, the headteacher was overseeing and they picked up DC’s paper, DURING the exam, flicked through it, then rubbed out one of the answers and told DC to try again. They also pointed out another wrong answer and indicated DC should re-do that question.

This is clear cut cheating, right?

YABU - don’t report it, the whole year group could get their SATS voided and they’ll be devastated
YANBU - this is appalling and the Head needs to be investigated

Let someone else report it. You were not there, in the room, were you?

sakuraspring · 16/05/2025 22:09

MaryGreenhill · 16/05/2025 22:04

Sats are ridiculous. They tested my August born child and predicted she would have a 50% chance of getting 5 GCSEs 🙄
She got 12 GCSEs and 4 A levels all excellent grades .
She then did an honours degree course in Primary teaching with QT Status .
Gaining a first .
So l wouldn't take them to task OP for erasing and prompting. It's all nonsense and sounds like the head teacher knows it too .

Knowing something is nonsense, is one thing. Setting a poor example by cheating quite another.

In any event, it doesn't stack up. At my daughter's school the head is obsessed with SATS and has had them doing before school or after school revision sessions for months. She's had them revising every spare moment when they weren't in an exam this week. Far from thinking SATS are stupid she has a huge fixation with them, to the detriment of children's wellbeing

billandtedsexcellentadventure · 16/05/2025 22:10

Are you sure the head didn’t ask them to rub it out as maybe it wasn’t clear? In our training we were told to make sure that mistakes were rubbed out clearly as it might still be visible? Was the head saying rub out something that had been crossed out but wasn’t clear?

thismummyslife · 16/05/2025 22:11

utterly unreasonable! You do realise that the actual SATS test are just a fraction of the measurement of progress across primary school? Yes he shouldn’t have done it but it really wouldn’t make that much of a difference as teachers have to select a ‘best fit’ assessment result based on ongoing assessment all year with the actual exams being just a back up.

Superhansrantowindsor · 16/05/2025 22:12

If you report it they will lose their job.
I wouldn’t be arsed - it’s SATs not GCSE’s.

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 22:13

billandtedsexcellentadventure · 16/05/2025 22:10

Are you sure the head didn’t ask them to rub it out as maybe it wasn’t clear? In our training we were told to make sure that mistakes were rubbed out clearly as it might still be visible? Was the head saying rub out something that had been crossed out but wasn’t clear?

No, the head rubbed out the whole answer themselves

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Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 16/05/2025 22:15

miniworry · 16/05/2025 21:20

Why on earth would you want to report it when he's helped your own child?! As an independent school headteacher, I believe sats are totally and utterly abhorrent - putting 10 & 11 year olds through such pressure for something that secondary schools will likely ignore anyway when they start!

You're a Head Teacher and you condone cheating in exams?? Doesn't say a lot for the independent sector

Catmads · 16/05/2025 22:15

Dilemmaramma · 16/05/2025 21:25

My understanding is that some secondary schools assign sets based on SATS scores, and they’re also used to predict GCSE grades. So if a child has scored higher than they should have, it’s not particularly helpful really, as they may be placed in the ‘wrong’ set, or be under pressure to attain unrealistic grades. I don’t see this as having ‘helped’ my child at all.

I would urge caution in doing what you see as the right thing.
My daughter struggled badly with her SATS.
She had always suffered from anxiety and this was compounded by me being seriously ill in hospital for 3 weeks around that period, obviously this contributed to her achieving poor results.
Unfortunately her secondary school did indeed use her results to determine class sets and predict GCSE grades, she was predicted to fail every single exam and was placed in the lowest two groups for everything.
During her time at the school, despite the obvious improvement in her work in comparison to her SATS, I believe she was held back as a calming influence and as a student helper to others in the class who should have been getting support but weren't.
This was obviously denied time and again.
My daughter was the first year to sit the new style GCSEs and did a test exam in Science for the foundation tier, her result placed her in the top 15% in the country. She was still held back in the lowest set, she achieved a 5.4, the highest she could have achieved with the foundation paper was a 5.5.
She was let down massively and if I was in your position, I would be saying absolutely nothing.

Teenybub · 16/05/2025 22:16

This is why sats are pointless. They matter more as a reflection of the school than a benefit to your child. If they are in the wrong set in secondary they will just move them after getting to know the child, we don’t use them at all because we know this happens. It will be more common that you realise. We have some students come with really high target grades that can barely read, when we ask about sats they frequently say “my teacher wrote down for me to copy”. This is from more than one feeder primary.

Globules · 16/05/2025 22:16

Primary SLT here who hates SATS.

My hatred of SATS does not mean I condone this behaviour. Report.

For those of you not aware, this happens regularly. The HT of my previous school was seconded by county to be head at another local school following SATS cheating. In that case, the DD of the chair of governors asked her dad if Mr X should have been rubbing out people's answers and telling them to try again.

The CoG had no choice but to report his headteacher.