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Is this a reason to go nc/lc?

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Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 16:56

I would like to know people's views on my childhood and current relationship with my mum if that's ok?

As a child they didn't enforce going to school. At all. They then removed me at 13 to move to Portugal (no more school). Then encouraged me to move to Holland, on my own, to live in a squat with drug addicts when I was 16. Several of my friends died (suicide/OD) so it was a stressful time. I then moved back to the UK and ended up in a very abusive relationship which my parents completely encouraged.

My issue with my mum at the moment is that she's calling me multiple times a day, asking for reassurance that she's a good mum. I've got other stuff going on and I honestly don't have the energy.

It's not just me btw (this is going to be very outing to anyone who knows me). One of my older sisters was left in Morocco with a much older man in his bus at 16, with no way of contacting my parents. The other sister was allowed to move into a traveller camp with a 20 year old at 15. My brother was basically left to fend for himself at 16 when we moved to Portugal.

I mean, is any of that normal? Acceptable? I have so much self doubt I don't really know what's ok or not or whether I'd be justified in cutting down contact with my parents

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Away2000 · 12/05/2025 17:36

I would say it depends on your relationship with her now. Do you enjoy speaking to her or find it draining/inconvenient etc? If having a relationship with her is not adding anything positive to your life then yes LC/NC might be a good choice. She might be asking as she’s reflected on her parenting and realised there was issues. Or she might just be clueless and wondering why she doesn’t have a close relationship with her children and seeking attention/praise.

mindutopia · 12/05/2025 17:40

I’m sorry you’ve gone through all this, OP. I would say that your mum in a lot of ways sounds similar to mine. Maybe to different extremes.

In my case, my mum grew up in a home where she had to be a people pleaser, making everyone happy, in order to survive because she had a brother who is by all accounts a narcissist and probably a sociopath. I don’t mean a narcissist in the pop psychology, everyone is a narcissist sort of way, but I mean truly had narcissistic personality disorder and probably a few other things.

As a result, her solution to getting through life was to make everyone happy, never say no, have no boundaries or rules. If I wanted a puppy, I got a puppy. If I didn’t want to go to school, I didn’t go to school. If I wanted to go live with a random 21 year old guy I met at 15, she’d pack my stuff and drop me off. Like you I missed a lot of school. She just stopped taking me. For 2 years, I ate ice cream in bed for breakfast because I must have said I wanted ice cream for breakfast and she used to bring me a bowl when she came to wake me up.

I was actually a very good student and did well in school (once I got back into it), but my teenage years were weird, a lot of permissiveness that seems very strange now that I’m a parent. If she’d had a man in a bus in Morocco to drop me off to, she absolutely would have.

Late in life, she met and married a man who has a history of child sex offences. She’s perfect for him, because she has no normal boundaries. Everything is fine and normal because she just wants him to be happy and pleased with her. We are NC, because obviously I would never allow someone like that around my children or myself.

What I’ve come to understand is that she is someone who is just quite emotionally immature, gets her sense of self worth from how much she feels like she is making others happy, making happy means never disagreeing or saying no. So there was just no structure to my life growing up.

Maybe like you, I became quite hyper independent. I could take care of myself. I didn’t need anyone. I survived. I learned that people around me couldn’t be depended on, so I stopped ever depending on anyone. I’ve worked on that a bit as an adult and I do depend on a select few now. But everything you say sounds very familiar to me in a lot of ways.

So no, it’s not normal or acceptable. It was actually only when I told the stories above in therapy that I heard them for the first time from someone else’s perspective and realised how bonkers some of my childhood was. Healthy boundaries have been key for me and finding ways of healing that involve depending on family I’ve created, not the one I was lumped with by chance, have helped.

As for going NC/LC, only you can answer that. It was pretty easy for me, because my family is literally unsafe for my children. But it also was about a feeling of what I needed to move on and live my life. If my mum had been a boyfriend, I would have broken up with her well before I did. I eventually accepted that I couldn’t live with that pain and also live a happy full life. I have zero regrets about being NC.

yeesh · 12/05/2025 17:53

None of it is normal in any way. If you want to go low or no contact you would be justified in doing so.

Fraaances · 12/05/2025 17:55

Tell her if she keeps asking you’ll tell her the truth. She obviously knows she was utterly foolhardy.

Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:05

@mindutopia a lot of this really resonates with me - thank you. Like you I would say I'm hyper independent and I've also managed to get a really good career despite all the background. Pretty proud of myself (as you should be). My mum is also a massive people pleaser with no boundaries which is part of the issue. So sorry to hear about her husband - that's a terrible situation x

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Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:08

Fraaances · 12/05/2025 17:55

Tell her if she keeps asking you’ll tell her the truth. She obviously knows she was utterly foolhardy.

I think this is the way to go.

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Pleaseshutthefuckup · 12/05/2025 18:09

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5332584-may-2025-we-took-you-to-stately-homes-thread

This thread is for us who were raised in narcissistic/ sociopathic family systems. It may be one parent who was like this but there are very common behaviour patterns and roles assigned to family members that will make sense to you I'm sure.

May 2025 - 'We took you to STATELY HOMES' thread. | Mumsnet

Hope all ok with a new thread here. I've looked and can't find one anywhere past February.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5332584-may-2025-we-took-you-to-stately-homes-thread

Fraaances · 12/05/2025 18:12

If it helps, I had a shit mum and couldn’t even lie to her when she was dying. I wasn’t cruel, but I told her that I wasn’t going to rewrite history to make her feel better. There were never any Disney moments. No apologies or resolution. Your mum’s behaviour was fucking dangerous at best.

Hankunamatata · 12/05/2025 18:14

Id start blocking her calls

thepariscrimefiles · 12/05/2025 18:43

None of what your mum did was acceptable. She put all her children in danger, and her daughters were all at risk of sexual assault due to her negligence and laissez-faire behaviour.

You would be perfectly reasonable to go low or no contact and I certainly would pander to her by pretending that her parenting was anything other than completely shit.

Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:52

thepariscrimefiles · 12/05/2025 18:43

None of what your mum did was acceptable. She put all her children in danger, and her daughters were all at risk of sexual assault due to her negligence and laissez-faire behaviour.

You would be perfectly reasonable to go low or no contact and I certainly would pander to her by pretending that her parenting was anything other than completely shit.

I didn't really want to mention this in my first post as the post ended up quite long but yes. I lost my virginity to rape, at 16, with a much older drug addict.

I told my mum and she said 'oh, boys will be boys!' He was 40.

I think this thread has been really helpful so thank you all! It's very hard growing up in an environment like that and working out what's normal.

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Pleaseshutthefuckup · 12/05/2025 18:59

Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:52

I didn't really want to mention this in my first post as the post ended up quite long but yes. I lost my virginity to rape, at 16, with a much older drug addict.

I told my mum and she said 'oh, boys will be boys!' He was 40.

I think this thread has been really helpful so thank you all! It's very hard growing up in an environment like that and working out what's normal.

Yes this behaviour is typical of narcissistic/ sociopathic mothers.

At 16 I had a gross older guy I'd slept with at 16 calling the landline. I was 16, he was about late 30s. My mum would answer and be friendly to him. That's only some of it. So messed up.

When you go NC, the rebound behaviour can be very very extreme. It sometimes helps to start preparing by gently doing low contact and communicating only by way of yellow rock technique.

To us or to a therapist or in a diary you can share your true authentic feelings and keep them away from your personality disordered mum. The truth being she's a sub human devoid of empathy sadly. I will throw in that she sounds like an absolute c**t too and you deserved so much more. This might be too much to process so take your time. You're starting your healing by recognise and writing this post ❤️

thepariscrimefiles · 12/05/2025 18:59

Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:52

I didn't really want to mention this in my first post as the post ended up quite long but yes. I lost my virginity to rape, at 16, with a much older drug addict.

I told my mum and she said 'oh, boys will be boys!' He was 40.

I think this thread has been really helpful so thank you all! It's very hard growing up in an environment like that and working out what's normal.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Your mum's reaction to this was utterly dreadful and impossible to forgive.

Fraaances · 13/05/2025 23:37

@Andoutcomethewolves I’m so sorry that you endured that. It does rather seem that your mother deliberately chose situations for you and your sisters where that kind of thing was more likely to happen than not. Her comment really solidifies my argument. My guess is that her entire self worth centered around men and sex and she was over being a mum with all of its responsibilities. That’s why she threw you all under the bus. I really hope you have had some very good counselling.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 14/05/2025 06:44

Fraaances · 12/05/2025 17:55

Tell her if she keeps asking you’ll tell her the truth. She obviously knows she was utterly foolhardy.

You should not downplay these actions as foolhardy, it was disgraceful behaviour / abuse

UsernameTalk · 14/05/2025 07:26

Your parents behaviour was extremely neglectful and dangerous. Wouldn't call them parents really. Probably either sociopaths or had cluster B personality disorders or both

RedSkyDelights · 14/05/2025 07:40

Andoutcomethewolves · 12/05/2025 18:05

@mindutopia a lot of this really resonates with me - thank you. Like you I would say I'm hyper independent and I've also managed to get a really good career despite all the background. Pretty proud of myself (as you should be). My mum is also a massive people pleaser with no boundaries which is part of the issue. So sorry to hear about her husband - that's a terrible situation x

I think being hyper independent (I am too) is a clear sign (even without your story) that your mum was not a good mother.

If you weren't related to her, would you want to spend time with her? I think that's the crux of whether to go lc/nc.

myplace · 14/05/2025 07:45

Next time, ask why she is asking or wants to know.
If her answer is all about her, then I would gradually withdraw.
If her answer is concern for you, then I would see what happens. She may have had a late understanding that she was inadequate and be trying to put things right. Obviously she can’t do that, but her efforts may comfort you.

Swiftie1878 · 14/05/2025 08:05

I grew up without a mum and feel I had it much better than you.
Definitely NC - you don’t need to be constantly reminded of a completely messed up upbringing.
xx

Clownsy · 14/05/2025 08:34

That all sounds horrendous OP.

I think very low contact at the least.
Stop answering her calls.

Andoutcomethewolves · 14/05/2025 11:06

RedSkyDelights · 14/05/2025 07:40

I think being hyper independent (I am too) is a clear sign (even without your story) that your mum was not a good mother.

If you weren't related to her, would you want to spend time with her? I think that's the crux of whether to go lc/nc.

Honestly no. I don't feel she adds anything to my life 😞

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Fraaances · 15/05/2025 01:29

@Andoutcomethewolves There is a (very American) YouTuber who actually specialises in childhood trauma-induced PTSD. (It’s called Complex PTSD, or C-PTSD.) Her YouTube channel/podcast is called The Crappy Childhood Fairy. It’s honestly fabulously, well thought-out, bite-sizes videos that you can pick and choose from depending on relevance.

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 15/05/2025 10:16

Andoutcomethewolves · 14/05/2025 11:06

Honestly no. I don't feel she adds anything to my life 😞

I have such overwhelming illnesses, autoimmune mostly. I am so sick and I know now that being raised in a narcissistic/sociopathic family has really contributed.

I've been in a perpetual state of confusion, feeling all sorts of horrible emotions.viscerally and didn't consciously realise it. As I started to see, the more you grow and try learn, it's horrifying.

You would have dealt with so so much more than you are even consciously aware of right now.

I would start very low contact because the shock and fall out of immediately NC will be alot for you and the reactions from others will be alot for you to deal with. They will not just go away but usually will double down.

LC helps you prepare this psychologically. As you do it, you'll start seeing horrible things in them even more and will know it's the right thing.

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