Do phalloplasties actually work?

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After wondering about this for a while, I ended up searching phalloplasty online and ended up on a Reddit page where people post their progress. I had never seen one before an was curious, I guess. It was actually quite shocking. People with what looks like no muscle left on their forearms, someone with a necrotic 'scrotum', someone where the stitches were wide open and the tip has turned black and left a gaping hole etc etc. People seem to be commenting saying that they look great, they've made the right decision etc, but honestly they look absolutely butchered. It's scary. And I guess my question is, do they actually function? Some of these people are so young and it's scary what they've done to their bodies. I can't help but think a lot of them will regret the decision. Is it mainly cosmetic? Can they orgasm? Honestly just very shocked by what I've seen!

Thst picture with healthy breasts lopped off is awful, it's sick, it's sad. Young girls, young women, scared to be female butchering themselves.

Not just 'people'.

The Cass Review confirmed what various whistleblowers from the Tavistock had been saying for years — that almost every patient they saw was either autistic: lesbian or gay and from a homophobic family or culture that didn't support homosexuality: a victim of sexual abuse: from a chaotic and unstable family background or the care system.

We have been sterilising and mutilating some of the most vulnerable young people in society in the name of kindness and acceptance. We've been sterilising and training away lesbian and gay and autistic people. It's not just the surgery that does so much damage. Cross-sex hormones have terrible effects on bones: so many of the young trans people you see at events use sticks. There is a lack of brain development and lower IQ in those who were prescribed puberty blockers when young. It's the biggest medical and social scandal since the craze for dealing with opinionated women by giving them lobotomies.

All of those things are wrong, just because there are other unacceptable things happening it doesn’t make this ok. Added to that is that these experimental surgeries are being carried out on vulnerable, ND young people, who are being sold a lie. It’s unethical and morally reprehensible.

So you are against unnecessary, uninformed, experimental surgery, of which this is a very extreme example, or you're not? Are you just unhappy this isn't a general thread about all surgeries, because you're welcome to go start one?

This is excellent ⬆️

Such a very female body still, despite the modifications.

How on earth these operations are even legal is completely beyond me. It's hardly worth complaining about FGM in so called underdeveloped countries when we allow barbaric "sex change" operations in our own.

That's the woman who was so traumatised by taking a woman who'd been a victim of rape to hospital in Haiti that she asked her ex boyfriend to pretend to rape her. I don't think she's on the level.
www.feministcurrent.com/2021/12/28/penis-or-death-progressives-celebrate-mutilation-as-cure-for-mental-illness/

Also a very sad back story involving sexual violence. A troubled person.

Which arguments are weak exactly?

Of course I'm against it. I'm just consistently against all types of surgery that fits that bill. Not just the types that young trans people might get.

Arguments that ignore that lots of other people have equally risky surgery for other non-medical reasons.

Go to the European Society of Sexual Medicine website and educate yourself using expert-led material - consensus statements, guidelines, etc. Then search Pubmed for balanced peer-reviewed articles on outcomes after surgery. Asking a question on a forum like this is ridiculous - as demonstrated by the replies you've received.

Kate Bornstein has written about her surgery (1986). She said she was post-operatively orgasmic, saying “Yeah, the plumbing works, and so does the electricity.”

My nipple turned black and necrotic (fortunately didn't fall off) after standard breast reduction. But it's flat with no function and is now not a real nipple (has almost turned into just regular skin, with a slight demarcation where the nipple itself begins).

Well that's why labioplasty was classified as a form of FGM but it's still legal for white women to have it in Harley Street if they don't like the way their vagina looks.

Why would it be? Children taking puberty blockers for precocious puberty have an endocrine disorder (and start to go through puberty before the age of eight years old). They take them for them minimum time necessary to delay puberty until around nine or ten then stop taking taking them and go through puberty. This means they continue to sexually mature - something that children who take them for trans do so expressly to avoid.

This.
These young women are facing the type of incontinence problems normally found in post birth injuries and in post menopausal women. Elaine Miller (Gussie Grips quoted in the article) has been warning of this for many years:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461901/Transgender-men-postmenopausal-bladder-bowel-problems.html

Thise defending this need to wake up. It's an immense medical scandal that deliberately and cynically targets the young and vulnerable.

How can young people consent to this when the side effects are not made clear to them?

Someone on here compared taking puberty blockers for dysphoria to taking blockers for precocious puberty. The fact anyone can make that comparison when the outcomes are so completely different demonstrates how much staggering ignorance is out there.

Kids who take blockers temporarily for precocious puberty go through puberty normally and develop normal bodies. Kids who take blockers for dysphoria remain on blockers until they take cross sex hormones so they never go through puberty. Their genitals never grow so they are sterile and unable to orgasm. There's evidence to suggest that their bones, endocrine systems and brains never develop properly. Jazz Jennings took blockers and as a result didn't have enough penile skin to invert to create a 'neovagina'. So the surgeons had to remove a length of his colon.

Even the side effects of taking large doses of testosterone are not properly explained.

I read a tragic article where a urologist said she's seen countless transmen at her surgery, all of whom are incontinent and no-one warned them that it was an almost guaranteed side effect of taking testosterone.

What do you think is factually inaccurate about the replies that have been received?

Where do I start - refer to my post above and educate yourself.

Trans people having these surgeries are aware of the risks

One of the top questions asked by those undergoing these surgeries is ‘Will I produce sperm?’ That give you an idea of how far these young girls are from understanding what they are doing or being able to give informed consent.

You have to experience it to really understand. Don't tell kids this is fine. They need treatment for body dysmorphia, they don't need second class penises.

😂Nope - that no longer works.

You need to do the work and provide the evidence.

I think it interrupts the positivity. So it’s sold as gender affirming healthcare which sounds really fluffy and nice. Denying trans (teens) gender affirming health care sounds bad, I instinctively don’t want to deny anyone healthcare.

Then you read a bit more about it and think that sounds horrific, even people who have the surgery and it’s not gone well are shouted down.

It’s the whole no debate thing. My dc have come home from school “they can make a penis or vagina” It drives me bonkers, like it’s a wave a magic wand thing. I explained how it was done(briefly) they all looked a bit green.

If you read the Cass report, you'll see that there are huge issues with proper follow up studies and evaluation of all kinds of 'gender affirming care'. In that plenty of trusts simply arent doing any.

So the long term effects of these procedures are not being tracked, let alone analysed properly.