If you allow your kids to kick a ball at a joining fence repeatedly, you're a trash person.

[TesChique]

It's 24 degrees

We all want to enjoy our outdoor spaces.

If you allow your darlings to repeatedly thump a ball at a fence because "kidz shud b allowd to play innit"

You're a trash human
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Where has consideration gone in this country.

When someone behaves like an underclass (look it up if you can't guess what that is) then it is absolutely right and proper that those who know how to behave-but have to live alongside these people- (yes, that's right-these people) be classist.

What's more we need a lot more judging and, following judging, action before we all slide into a bog of shite where a we all sink to the lowest common denominator.

if you can't live alongside people who behave decently then fuck off and if everyone on the street took this attitude then off they would fuck.

If they did it in the new place that they fucked off to then off they could fuck again.

But where oh where might they live, weep posters like @AubernFable . Who gives a shit? Hopefully, next door to you or, failing that, they can sail the seven high seas!

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Not backtracking at all. I know they weren’t intimidated by us. On the occasions it happened they never complained, we got on very well. And before you say ‘just because they never complained….’ They definitely weren’t shrinking violets. They’re dead now so unfortunately I can’t ask them to confirm. But I don’t believe their dying words had anything to do with a tennis ball coming over the fence.

Plus it doesn’t bother me if my neighbour’s children knock a ball over. I don’t understand why you find this so hard to believe.

I’m off out to dinner, it’s 7:30 here, I’m on my holidays, so despite enjoying this discussion I am leaving it there.

Our kids play basketball and trampoline constantly, our eldest really needs the activity. We put up a net along the fence line behind the hoop- i think balls constantly going into the garden isn’t fair, but I also think while the sound of the ball bouncing is annoying it’s just what happens in a family oriented suburb. (Yes we put him in lots of sports too to get h him the movement he needs)

I have football loving, energetic boys and they would happily kick the ball against thebneighbours fence.
But they don't, as I tell them not to and I bought them a swing ball instead and told them they can play football on the ground low level only, practice skills and no kicking footballs with force at anything. Its really simple.
They try a kick here and there, and I am striaght out there telling them to pack it in or go inside.
I have neighbours and they have a right to peace. Noise from kids can be really irritating.

If it was getting to the point where I was losing my mind and it was incessant, I'd look into actually buying the chavs one of those giant nets that go in front of the fence and catch it.

I'm guessing they have a little goal in front of the fence and they're missing it and it goes at fence. I'd try very nicely first.

If they don't stop and won't give two shits, I'd look at every way to report them somehow for anti social behaviour or noise nuisance.

DD used to pound tennis balls against the garage wall, but it was never more than half an hour. There has to be some give and take.

My neighbours 3 doors a long have got huge thick metal double gates at the side of their house. I cannot begin to express the noise from their son who has been booting his football at them all day.

The parents won’t do anything, they don’t care

DD used to pound tennis balls against the garage wall, but it was never more than half an hour. There has to be some give and take

What, you let your DD give disturbance to the neighbours, and they have to take it?

My neighbours would have said that I didn't mind the balls being noisily booted off the fence, and that I was happy to throw them back or have the kids disturbing me to collect them.

I wasn't. I just couldn't be bothered with a drama. I sold up and moved somewhere where it wouldn't happen.

I'm really enjoying the peace is the good weather.

I’m confused about whether you’ve asked your neighbour to stop or request it’s for short periods? or at the other end of the garden etc? I do think it’s hard to balance these things but communication is key.

The noise of a ball doesn’t bother me when my son and his friends are kicking it against the fence so maybe she doesn’t realise it’s annoying you? Now the springs from the trampoline….. that really annoys me. Also my girl screaming in the pool i find the noise startling so can only imagine the pain it causes my neighbours. I obviously tell her to stop screaming though which she will do at points.

I think we all have different thresholds around noise etc so unless you speak to your neighbour she may not realise how much it bothers you.

I don’t see a problem with this. A child gets to play for half hour and then give the neighbours a break? I think that’s really reasonable.

Actual wow at the entitlement.

Can these feral families draw up a timetable pretty please, so the long-suffering neighbours know when their 'boisterous' children are going to be booting a football against an integral garage door, or a fence??? So that the long-suffering neighbours can adjust their lives accordingly, and tailor their lives around the neighbours children and their 'playing.' Because said boisterous children and feral families, are clearly waaaaay more important than any neighbour's peace and tranquility and right to quiet enjoyment of their home.

#sarcasm

I’ve actually got a large painted goal on the side of my house… was here when we moved in. It’s a large semi with gardens front, back and side, with the front fenced off. “Perfect” I thought when I moved in! My little boy (1 at the time) will love this as he gets older!! He can kick a ball against it and nobody will be disturbed by it!!! Well, 5 years later and he’s shown zero interest in anything ball related!!

brilliant idea for anyone who’s kids are into balls!! And don’t want to disturb others! No windows either so nothing to smash..

Unfortunately the days of 'parents' taking their kids to the park to play football are diminishing. My dad used to take me and my brothers to the school field every night after work. We would be waiting for him and he would dash in, get changed and off we would go until dark. Other local kids would come too and we would end up playing cricket, football, rounders etc. Poor dad wore his knees out.

I'm not talking about toddlers, its the 8-15 yr olds. Parents really cannot be arsed these days to parent and sit in front of screens themselves as much as the youngsters. Its easier to send them out into the back garden with a trampoline or a football (Even with nets) and let them keep themselves entertained and burn off a few calories. Sadly its more like a caged lion situation where they really are just playing in a little area with little social interaction. The modern phenomenon of everything having to cost money otherwise its not worthwhile has also added to it. Parents think they have to pay for coaching sessions for children to actually learn and develop when in fact a bit of parental input, a bit of fun and a bit of teaching and you children and the parents can become so much healthier.

One of the saddest things this country has done is to turn school fields into mini prison camps with their steel fencing. The days of school pals meeting on evenings and just playing football or whatever have gone.

I actually like the sound of kids playing when i am in the back garden but it saddens me that they have such a stunted idea of family play

100% this. The entitlement of some people is breathtaking!

And as someone said further back in the thread, I don't believe for a SECOND that anyone is happy to have footballs banging against fences and garage doors, or to be going to the door repeatedly to these bloody kids who have kicked the ball over the fence. NO-ONE wants that. NO-ONE needs that. Leave people alone, control your children, and stop letting them kick their shitty little footballs into peoples gardens!

This is middle class mumsnet at its finest 😂 children playing with their balls are “entitled” … nothing to be with children playing in age appropriate ways… Jeez. If you have noisy neighbours move rather than just having a word with someone to say their kids are annoying you 🙈 as if this a viable solution for everyone.

Love threads like this as this is such a middle class problem. Real nightmare neighbour stories involve drug dealers, parking wars or that thread about the house name was a good one.

kids kicking a ball against a fence on a sunny day could be annoying but then either ask the kid to stop or ask the mum to be more considerate. Problem hopefully solved.

Actually disgusting that people not only think like this but are proud enough to admit it publicly. I genuinely feel sorry for you.

The ‘underclass’, as you so kindly put it, isn’t a monolith. You can’t ‘behave like an unemployed person’ any more than you can behave like a postcode. That’s not how people work.

You talk about sinking into a bog of shite, but it seems like, you’ve already arrived- intolerant, judgemental, and steeped in ignorance.

You go on about those who ‘don't know how to behave’ yet here you are, spewing bile and swearing through a post laced with hate and entitlement. Is this your version of decency? Because if your idea of civilisation is built on exclusion and contempt, then I’ll proudly stand with the so-called “underclass” rather than be anywhere near people like you.

I can't actually work out what you're saying-your post is all over the place and unclear but I'll have a go!

I never compared the underclass to a large slab-is that what you mean when you say monolith? If so, what a strange simile!

Why are you conflating unemployed people with an underclass? I never mentioned employment-how odd that you immediately assume all those who are unemployed are an underclass.

I have to say I find that a pretty disgusting view to hold.

An underclass is a group of people-employed or otherwise-who decide that they don't care about society and that includes inflicting their behaviour on their neighbours.

You mention contempt-do I have contempt for people who make the lives of their neighbours a misery and who drag society down? I do.

Why don't you? The obvious answer-although not necessarily the correct one is that you are one of them!

You certainly declare that you are proud to stand with them. Why?

Please realise that these questions are rhetorical (that means I don't expect you to answer them) as it is hard to debate with someone who is proud to associate themselves with people who ruin the quiet enjoyment that other people may be reasonably expected to have in their home.

Have a good day and try, if you can, to respect your neighbours. Don't be proud to do otherwise.

It depends on how long it lasted and who the fence belongs to. If it's their fence an hour or so a day would be reasonable.

I’ll start with some definitions to clear things up for you then.

monolith
/ˈmɒnəlɪθ/
a large, impersonal political, corporate, or social structure regarded as indivisible and slow to change.

underclass
/ˈʌndəklɑːs/
the lowest social stratum in a country or community, consisting of the poor and unemployed.

When you talk about ‘the underclass’ as if they’re a single bloc of people who deliberately reject society and harm their neighbours, that is treating them as a monolith.

“Underclass” is a loaded term used to describe people who are economically disadvantaged and socially marginalised, usually with the implication that they are permanently outside of mainstream society. It’s not a neutral description, its very much rooted in classism and often used to dehumanise or blame people for systemic issues like poverty, lack of education, unemployment etc. You can’t change the definition to suit your argument and pretend it’s not just classism.

The way you’re using is actually worse as it suggests a group of people who are inherently immoral or antisocial, which is not only offensive but also wildly inaccurate.

And no—I’m not proud to associate with people who harm others. I’m proud to empathise with people who are constantly stereotyped, dehumanised, and treated as problems rather than people. There’s a huge difference between excusing antisocial behaviour (actual antisocial behaviour, not children playing) and refusing to tar entire communities with the same brush.

And let’s not forget: this entire thing started because of children playing in their own garden. You’ve taken that and leapt to ranting about the supposed moral decay of the lower classes. I live in a lovely, quiet area and my neighbours’ kids are loud, boisterous boys who kick footballs and spray water over the hedge all summer. I don’t have a stick up my bottom, so I don’t consider it a personal attack.

Reply above, didn’t let me quote you for some reason.

You sound a bit confused, although I'm sure you spent a lot of time writing out all that guff and consulting Wikipedia.

Although it is my job to help people set down their sometimes emotional and confused thoughts into clear and concise written language, it would take too much time to decipher all your ramblings.

I'm not going to do that as I'm not being paid. Additionally, you know that you made an entire balls of your thoughts in both this and your previous post and that is satisfaction enough for me.

The underclass comes from all parts of society: professional people; salaried people; pensioners; teenagers and the unemployed.

A child of 12 knows this and a child of 12 would be very suspicious of someone coming along to try and defend them-however badly that defence was conducted. An unkind critic might conclude that the defender is indeed one of them-after all, plenty of people are!

So, be respectful to society and your neighbours instead of whipping yourself up like a dervish! Above all, do not be proud to stand with them.

I'll leave you to frantically write another overheated post, complete with links that you have picked up from Wikipedia. Hopefully, it will keep you busy but I must work!
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Girl, it made perfect sense- you just didn’t like what I had to say. I’m on an online forum on my phone, not writing an academic paper, who gives a fuck?

Didn’t need to use Wikipedia, but since you insist on using words you don’t know the meaning of, the definitions came from the Oxford Dictionary.

I work with 12 year olds from all kinds of backgrounds and upbringings, and not one of them is as closed minded as you’ve been in this thread. That kind of thinking is learned behaviour- so sure, maybe a child of yours might come out with views like that, but they’d be corrected very quickly for sharing them in class.

You aren’t being respectful, that’s my whole point. Being classist, judgemental and sanctimonious is far worse than making noise in your own garden. I think you should get some therapy as you’re clearly struggling in some way to be this hateful.

No it doesn't, it simply conveyed the attitude.

You're right. It is. Unreal that some people think it's perfectly reasonable and to be put up with, and if you object at all, you're a miserable cnut. They mustn't mind the risk of being smacked in the face, having pets or small children potentially injured, or having plants/property damaged! EVERYONE should be able to enjoy their outside spaces in peace and privacy.