To not be happy about paying this much tax

[Lovingthehamsterwheel]

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I just saw this new tax calculator that shows you how much tax you are paying in total, including all hidden taxes, council tax etc

For a Person on 75k a year, 44 percent of earnings go on tax.

10k of that is spent on welfare.

Am i being unreasonable to think this is absolutely a terrible time to be alive in terms of taxes in the UK. And it is no wonder higher earners are leaving the country.

tax.corgi.global/

Statistics. And the fact that we have low taxes compared to a lot of the world, and don’t have to pay health insurance or education out of our wages

That's direct tax. The calculator includes indirect taxes too, to give a marginal rate.

You do understand that anecdata isn't actual data/ evidence, don't you?

Anyone know what "hidden taxes" are in the OPs link? For example alcohol, fuel, betting etc. Are these only applicable if I buy these services and taxable on the actual service cost? They are not taken from my salary to pay for alcohol and betting??

It might be based on ONS data but it is how the data is manipulated that is important.

I don’t think the majority of higher rate tax payers have an issue with those who genuinely need to depend on welfare - whether they have ever paid in or not. But we all know there’s a lot of disingenuous people out there who claim and are perfectly capable of working. More needs to be done to educate and get people into suitable workplaces. It is also evident that there are generations of families who have never worked and don’t intend to. The amount of money needed to fund the welfare state would drastically reduce if only genuine claimants were using it. I see people at work filtering £1-1.5k a month into pensions, bringing them down to national minimum wage so that they can claim UC and other benefits.

It's a rubbish calculator, but on £75k the average person would pay 44% collective taxes.

How dreadful...

On £30k the average person would pay 48.8%
On £22k the average person would pay 48.2%
On £15k they would pay 48.7%

So actually the lowest paid are far worse off than you are, both income wise and tax wise.

When trying to make a point, it is always worth checking to make sure your point stacks up. Yours doesn't.

Totally happy to be paying that amount of taxes. I would much prefer my earnings went towards the nation's health, education, law & order and pensions.

Much better use of my money than say contributing even more than I already do towards funding another space jolly for Mr Bezos's friends.

how does this site define "welfare", does it mean all monies paid out in UC, the state pension, child benefit, PIP etc? Sounds very much as if it has an agenda, i.e. whipping up anger against a nebulous group of people who are seen as living a life of idle luxury at tax payers expense.

What would you propose to do with the people who depend on welfare

There are quite a lot of people out there who are getting benefits who shouldn’t be getting them at all, there was even a post trending on MN on yesterday about someone whose sister was fraudulently claiming and a lot of people on here said that her husband shouldn’t have reported her…..not having that kind of mentality would reduce welfare costs

That’s totally wrong.
75k gross equals 53303 net.
That includes national insurance.

Indirect taxes vary widely according to spending and I'd bet the house on the fact that this calculator assumes everyone drinks and smokes and buys lots of new goods. Not everyone is a car owner, drinks or buys everything new, for example.

That's not a source, it's a statement. There was a temporary blip for 6 months, which may well have contributed to the Tory decision to call an election. Other than that, UK economy has been one of the slowest growing economies for a long time. Probably since our monumental act of national self-sabotage in June 2016.

Hmm. If the NHS wasn’t being paid for out of general taxation, you’d find your private cover was a significant amount more; likewise if the 60% of “welfare” that’s spent on pensions wasn’t in place, you’d be needing to find that out of your 75k and so on.
As someone who paid significantly more in tax, and significantly more than the general population and has my kids in private school without tax deduction, I’m pretty comfortable about the money I pay in tax to support society generally. Are there things that could be done better, are there people who may get a claim approved that shouldn’t? Quite possibly, but rather that than some privatised dystopia.
in case you haven’t been to the US recently, you might want to check the homelessness and so on figures - they’re not pretty. Of course, if you’re rich - hey, no problem (until you aren’t, of course)

I think this is more nuanced that you are making is sound. No one is saying that we don’t want to pay tax - I think the argument is that that the tax system in the UK is punitive. I’m happy to pay tax and contribute to society I live in. But not in the way it’s set up.
but if I play your game for example - pensions should come out of the money that people paid in (yes I know biggest ponzi scheme so not how it works) my FIL is almost 70 and still working for example
I have 3 kids - all in private school so no their education is not paid from that - I pay for it.
No I don’t use the NHS (and haven’t for decades), neither do my DC’s or my in laws - we all private medical care.
again this is not about paying no tax - it’s about a fairer system for all.
and with regards to people leaving the UK - if you do a google search it does show people are, there was some statistics posted by ONS not long ago - and I and my family have left for example.

Just given it a whirl, it is bonkers in its inaccuracy, thanks to the OP for the laugh though

Not sure about your figures but YANBU - people earning 50k-1million are taxed FAR too much, and yes we have far too many people on benefits who get far too much. Some don’t get enough - but many get too much.

Hopefully something will change 🤷🏻‍♀️ work does not pay.

There are literally threads on here where a single household is taking in 40-60k in benefits per year

That is an absolute joke, come on

Which statistics? Data on current emigration isn't available yet...

I was on benefits claiming UC. Now I’ve reconciled with my husband and back living together I’ve tried several times to cancel my UC and my requests just get ignored. It’s really poor.

Work most definitely does pay. A single person on UC gets less than £100 a week, they’d have to work less than eight hours for minimum wage to get that.

That’s a single person. The lowest possible figure.

It was worked out on a thread the other day that a family on UC with 2 lots of DLA (really, really not an uncommon situation round here) and carers gets in the region of 3k a month; and that was a conservative estimate using the most restrictive possible criteria. In most cases it’ll be a lot more.

No household should be taking in more than 25k in benefits a year. Otherwise frankly you’re spitting on tax payers

I have no idea if the calculator is any good but I do notice that in the UK, people seem to be encouraged not to be too aware of the taxes they pay. I can understand why the government wants to avoid too much scrutiny but I don’t know why so many people treat it as something distasteful to discuss. It is as if lots of posters think we should just shut up and be grateful that we have an nhs waiting list to join.

I have a few questions:

1. Why are people attacking the OP for posting this?
2. Why are pps assuming the OP would not want to use NHS etc if she needed to? She is not saying all taxes should stop, she is commenting on the level of taxation
3. Why are pps accusing her of having an agenda because she is posting something they are uncomfortable about?
4. And lastly - why or why can't anyone start a sensible debate about the level of benefits payments we are committed to without being accused of benefit bashing?

How many high earners are leaving and where so they go?