To not be happy about paying this much tax

[Lovingthehamsterwheel]

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I just saw this new tax calculator that shows you how much tax you are paying in total, including all hidden taxes, council tax etc

For a Person on 75k a year, 44 percent of earnings go on tax.

10k of that is spent on welfare.

Am i being unreasonable to think this is absolutely a terrible time to be alive in terms of taxes in the UK. And it is no wonder higher earners are leaving the country.

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We could add a £25 charge for a gp visit with children, oap’s and low income exempt-

That would be entirely pointless because the majority of appointments are used by those you propose to exempt. We use the NHS most at the beginning and end of life.

More to the point those of us on low incomes but above the threshold would have issues having to pay £25 to go to the doctor each time.

Using that calculator gives me an effective tax rate of 47.7%. Admit I’m having a hard time feeling much sympathy for someone with 4x my income having a lower effective tax rate and more disposable income.

I completely support the introduction of a small charge to see the doctor except for children and those on benefits. I would support zero charge for GP requested review appointments. Only when money changes hands will service standards rise and all NHS staff need to be disabused of the notion that they are doing the public a humungous favour. They are not, they are providing a service that is free only at the point of delivery.

I don't support it for oaps unilaterally. DH and I at nearly 64 and 65 get free prescriptions despite still working full time and having relatively high incomes. Even when we retire our incomes will be far more than the national average. The charges should be means tested.

Your suggestion of a charge to see the GP seems to contradict your later point about ‘a service that’s free only at the point of delivery’. Why should anyone have to pay twice to see their GP? That penalises people with long/term conditions, many of whom are likely already paying prescription charges for medication they rely on. As you suggest, I’d much rather see a staggered prescription charge for older adults, many of whom are more comfortably off in early or recent retirement than the generation after them who are still in work.

I do apologised, I should also have said that the NHS needs to be replaced with a social insurance scheme similar to those in France, Germany, Austria, etc.

And higher welfare payments lead to better health too. I don’t think it’s entirely a co-incidence that 14 years of Tory cuts to welfare payments have been followed with a huge increase in people out of work due to disability or ill health. It’s what some of us said would happen over a decade ago.

What will Labour’s welfare cuts do?

The same as any other party I’d have thought. It doesn’t really matter which party does it the outcome will be the same.

@travellinglighter

We could add a £25 charge for a gp visit with children, oap’s and low income exempt-

yet another tax on workers!

I agree.

I’m a high tax payer but I can’t get worked up about contributing to welfare. I’ve got 2 young children and when I think welfare I think hungry kids. The welfare system isn’t perfect but for however many people that are playing the system there are more people and families that rely on it and I can’t stand the thought of children not having basic necessities.

Also people who can’t work because of their health, we can’t just leave them to rot, starve and freeze.

A relative had a stroke fairly recently too and the care they’ve received in the NHS for the past 2 months has been marvellous. I resent my council tax bill more tbh, goes up every year and the bin men still decide to leave my bins down the other end of the street. Tossers.

You are going to need to pay more tax for that though as well as the insurance.

The first question re the "welfare" portion is to calculate how much if that goes to retired/ low waged workers who need top ups? You can't really blame someone for receiving their pension they've worked for/can't afford the ridiculous rents in cities while working mw jobs.

Alcohol tax is easily avoided - just stop drinking!

But then you'd have less chance of getting your money's worth out of the NHS 😆

I could stick paying more for a system that actually works.

One of the big issues with the NHS is that it is not geared up to treat conditions that orevwnt people from working. I know someone who needs gall bladder surgery due to weight loss drugs. The NHS prescribed the weight loss drugs but are doing nothing to deal with their side effects. That person cannot presently work and is likely to lose their job.

I was working the day before I had my gallbladder removed along with two of these stones.

Interesting as evidently the pain is such that they can't sit up straight at a desk.

Evidently. My gallstones were diagnosed by ultrasound five months before my gallbladder was removed. I worked throughout in an office 50 miles from home.

One does sometimes wonder @blossomtoes. I suspect you are pretty tough and resolute like me.

I take it the picture is your gallbladder. Are you keeping it for posterity? You could have it incorporated into a paperweight.

I hope you are fully recovered.

You need to find a better calculator, the one you have posted is wildly inaccurate and possibly being promoted to stir up hatred.

you have the whole internet at your disposal looking up other sources before you make your judgment will be beneficial

Thank you. No, the picture is one of two stones of the same size which my gallbladder was tightly stretched around. I photographed it before throwing it away.

Ouch!

I agree.. the system works so well in France.

Perhaps that person shouldn't have become so over weight in the first place?

We cannot prevent old age but we can do more for our own health.

On your earlier point, i have never met a HCP who thinks they are doing the patient a huge favour, the ones i come across have been caring empathetic and knowledgeable, both in my own care, my mums and now my in-laws.

An insurance based scheme doesn't get more staff, we left the EU and countries with more HCP per capita than they need do not come to the UK anymore.... that was down to our choices.

France average tax rate 55% UK 45%... thats basically why they have better public services, same across many comparable countries.