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This is beyond disgraceful / abuse in Catholic Church **MNHQ Content Warning for CSA**

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GetMeOutOfHere20 · 06/05/2025 06:51

The systematic covering up by the Catholic Church. Knowing they are attracting pedophiles.

I’d be interested to know from those who play an active life in the Catholic Church if they are seeing change?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62x0ej1n7eo

Alexa MacPherson (left) was sexually abused from the age of three by Priest Peter Kanchong (right)

Abuse victims question if Pope Francis did enough to stop predators

A Catholic priest abused Alexa MacPherson for six years. Did Pope Francis do enough on child abuse?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62x0ej1n7eo

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BlondiePortz · 06/05/2025 06:56

How is it any different to past hundreds if not thousands of years?

legsekeven · 06/05/2025 06:58

Of course he didn’t. And the one after him won’t either. Unless they fundamentally change the church nothing will change.

JoyousEagle · 06/05/2025 06:58

It’s not really news is it. I don’t know how anyone could be part of that organisation.

legsekeven · 06/05/2025 06:59

I’m sure pope Francis was a nice man and had good intentions but all this talk about his poverty stricken life and how he died with 50p in his account! He lived in a palace what exactly was he going to be using money for.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 06/05/2025 07:01

This is not news. It's almost compulsory. Cruelty, perversion, greed, guilt-tripping and judgement are the tenets of most religions, Catholics do it better than most and have been doing so for millenia.
History. We need to know history. It is relevant

BlondiePortz · 06/05/2025 07:06

What damage has the Catholic Church in Ireland done let alone anywhere else?

GetMeOutOfHere20 · 06/05/2025 07:11

BlondiePortz · 06/05/2025 06:56

How is it any different to past hundreds if not thousands of years?

Agree @BlondiePortzbut there needs to be on-going coverage, not silence. It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s an institution that allows this to continue, it’s sickening.

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TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 06/05/2025 07:23

Strange nobody is calling for a public enquiry.
I'd have thought Badenoch, Farage et al would be screaming at Labour about this as they did the other grooming gangs.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 06/05/2025 07:33

GetMeOutOfHere20 · 06/05/2025 07:11

Agree @BlondiePortzbut there needs to be on-going coverage, not silence. It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s an institution that allows this to continue, it’s sickening.

And every member of the church is complicit in the abuse. Despite numerous public enquiries over the decades, it continues, and 'religous, god-fearing' people support an organisation that condones it.
Hate the sin, love the simnner I believe is their cop-out excuse.

ExtraOnions · 06/05/2025 07:48

The Catholic Church is not the only, large organisation, that had / has had abusers in its ranks, and has covered up / enabled that abuse.

The NHS, The BBC, The Church of England, Schools, Councils, Care Homes, The Police, various religious bodies.. the awful list goes on.

Not sure why the Catholics are getting special attention in this thread, without the others being mentioned. Then again, I remember the history of Catholicism in this country… and the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Catholics, from British leadership for centuries, and realise that the prejudice runs deep.

legsekeven · 06/05/2025 07:52

ExtraOnions · 06/05/2025 07:48

The Catholic Church is not the only, large organisation, that had / has had abusers in its ranks, and has covered up / enabled that abuse.

The NHS, The BBC, The Church of England, Schools, Councils, Care Homes, The Police, various religious bodies.. the awful list goes on.

Not sure why the Catholics are getting special attention in this thread, without the others being mentioned. Then again, I remember the history of Catholicism in this country… and the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Catholics, from British leadership for centuries, and realise that the prejudice runs deep.

That makes it ok then!

no one is saying abuse wasn’t happening elsewhere but the pure scale under the Catholic Church is ridiculous. Not just sexual abuse of children but the horrors of the Magdalene laundries and the mother and baby homes. Feels likes everything was brushed under the carpet once John Paul died

junebirthdaygirl · 06/05/2025 08:12

I would say the reason the Catholic Church is getting singled out more than, say, the BBC is that they are in more of a position of trust, had more access to children & families ( often being a family friend or support to gain access to child) and because they preach the opposite from the altar and go on to do dreadful deeds soon after.
I left the RC church at an early age before all this emerged in lreland but l paid a high price with my job.. teaching...as most schools are Catholic. So l wasn't fit to be near the children but they could continue in positions of trust even after allegations. There should be a complete walk out until the new pope acknowledges the Vaticans role in hiding and covering up for years.

BMW6 · 06/05/2025 08:22

Then again, I remember the history of Catholicism in this country… and the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Catholics, from British leadership for centuries, and realise that the prejudice runs deep.

It's not a one way street. You've left out the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Protestants by Catholic leaders in Britain (Queen Mary I, Sir Thomas More, Henry VIII who remained at heart a Catholic till he died) and a big hurrah for the Inquisition who did so very much to instil terror and wariness of Catholic dogma.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2025 08:49

ExtraOnions · 06/05/2025 07:48

The Catholic Church is not the only, large organisation, that had / has had abusers in its ranks, and has covered up / enabled that abuse.

The NHS, The BBC, The Church of England, Schools, Councils, Care Homes, The Police, various religious bodies.. the awful list goes on.

Not sure why the Catholics are getting special attention in this thread, without the others being mentioned. Then again, I remember the history of Catholicism in this country… and the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Catholics, from British leadership for centuries, and realise that the prejudice runs deep.

Because this thread is about a specific issue. There have been plenty of threads about the abuse and coverups by the CofE.
It’s timely to consider the last pope’s record honestly, rather than hagiographically, and for the RC church to make sure whoever is elected as next pope does a better job on this matter. Some of the candidates don’t have a good track record.

Elsie75 · 06/05/2025 08:56

Tim Minchin’s the pope song sums it up

Defunctlyric · 06/05/2025 09:00

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 06/05/2025 07:33

And every member of the church is complicit in the abuse. Despite numerous public enquiries over the decades, it continues, and 'religous, god-fearing' people support an organisation that condones it.
Hate the sin, love the simnner I believe is their cop-out excuse.

Is every Anglican ,Presbyterian and Moslem complicit too?
Or is it just Catholics?

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 06/05/2025 09:08

Defunctlyric · 06/05/2025 09:00

Is every Anglican ,Presbyterian and Moslem complicit too?
Or is it just Catholics?

Catholics are world leaders, but yes, or course, any congregant who knows there is systemic abuse within their religion is complicit

legsekeven · 06/05/2025 09:08

Defunctlyric · 06/05/2025 09:00

Is every Anglican ,Presbyterian and Moslem complicit too?
Or is it just Catholics?

For excusing and hiding abuse in the Catholic Church! Well that’s mainly Catholics.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2025 09:20

Defunctlyric · 06/05/2025 09:00

Is every Anglican ,Presbyterian and Moslem complicit too?
Or is it just Catholics?

Of course, for abuses and coverups in their organisations.

Have we had enough of the obligatory whataboutery now? I’d like to hear some responses to the OPs question.

legsekeven · 06/05/2025 10:15

Unless the new pope agrees to investigate every single case and make sure the priests (still alive) do jail time and are excommunicated then as far as I’m concerned it swept under the carpet.

Then they can start on the nuns. Proper apologies and compensation paid. They can sell a gold throne ot two to cover it.

GetMeOutOfHere20 · 06/05/2025 12:30

Lack of consistency and urgency.

Two leading candidates to succeed Pope Francis—Cardinals Pietro Parolin and Luis Antonio Tagle—have been accused by the watchdog group Bishop Accountability of mishandling abuse cases. Parolin is alleged to have obstructed justice by blocking the release of incriminating church records to civil authorities during his tenure as the Vatican’s secretary of state. Tagle, known as the “Asian Francis,” has been criticised for ineffectiveness in improving abuse protocols in the Philippines, where the bishops’ conference controversially placed partial blame on victims.

This abuse is institutionalised yet people continue to worship with and alongside these people.

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JoyousEagle · 06/05/2025 12:44

ExtraOnions · 06/05/2025 07:48

The Catholic Church is not the only, large organisation, that had / has had abusers in its ranks, and has covered up / enabled that abuse.

The NHS, The BBC, The Church of England, Schools, Councils, Care Homes, The Police, various religious bodies.. the awful list goes on.

Not sure why the Catholics are getting special attention in this thread, without the others being mentioned. Then again, I remember the history of Catholicism in this country… and the murder, torture and abuse heaped upon Catholics, from British leadership for centuries, and realise that the prejudice runs deep.

You don’t know why they’re getting special attention in this thread? The thread about a news article from today?

Toddlerteaplease · 06/05/2025 12:52

There has been a massive change in the church in the UK. They are very hot on safeguarding now. Much more so than the C of E.

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