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Reform councils to cut SEN spending

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LookingForRecommendation · 03/05/2025 17:39

.. according to the Lib Dem’s. Can they even do this? My DC isn’t SEN but her class has 5 TAs mainly as 121s and I dread what would happen if their funding is removed. Our council isn’t Reform led but they’re pretty neck on neck in no overall control.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/24/ed-miliband-energy-pricing-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-latest-live-uk-politics-news

UK politics: Reform will axe councils’ special needs funding if they win in local elections, Lib Dems claim – as it happened

Party’s education spokesperson says Farage’s comments about doctors over-diagnosing children shows he wants to cut spending

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/24/ed-miliband-energy-pricing-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-latest-live-uk-politics-news

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Smallmercies · 04/05/2025 19:51

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

This is what Reform voting morons will end up facilitating.

Aktion T4 - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 19:54

Teanbiscuits33 · 04/05/2025 19:50

Because they’re good at manipulating people. Same reason the Nazis were voted in. Whether you like me mentioning them or not, there are major parallels between what reform are doing now and what the Nazi’s did then.

I can see if you’re left wing it suits the narrative . The country is failing and people will vote according to who chimes with their needs . This whole thing is the fault of the two main parties not listening .

Sendcrisis2025 · 04/05/2025 19:55

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 19:43

It may happen now but I think assessments will be tougher and the fact it’s on their radar means they’ll be changes of some sorts .

The assessments already are tough.

So for my child who has a 30k a year EHCP package..

To get her diagnosis was paediatrician, clinical psychologist, occupational therapist and speech and language therapist all doing assessments individually. They then meet at a multi-agency meeting to discuss their individual findings and whether the criteria for diagnosis has been met. If a child has any doubt they dont get the diagnosis.

Then for her EHCP she obviously had her diagnostic reports but she then had an educational psychologist assessment, 3 rounds of Outreach support in school during reception, a SALT report for an EHCNA, an OT report for an EHCNA.

As part of proving school can't meet her needs she has additional outreach support to basically check school literally have done everything possible. Again, if there is any suggestion school has missed something or it is home they don't agree to specialist.

To get the 1-1 funding I had to pursue tribunal for her and then school had to produce a costed provision map detailing every single penny for every provision. They had to provide extensive records and evidence to justify it. It had to go to a panel who went through it line by line.

To suggest it is easy assessments shows you come from a place of complete ignorance.

Teanbiscuits33 · 04/05/2025 19:59

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 19:54

I can see if you’re left wing it suits the narrative . The country is failing and people will vote according to who chimes with their needs . This whole thing is the fault of the two main parties not listening .

Reform do not chime with your needs. It is right in front of your eyes and you don’t see it. You want no equality act? You want no human rights? Because mark my words, they’re telling you now that we need to get rid of our own rights because of immigrants but that’s just an excuse to get people to agree to give up all their protections. They will come for everyone else when it suits. Just like the Nazis did.

You see absolutely no issue with our government being in absolute control of our basic rights, which can be changed to suit? No?

Smallmercies · 04/05/2025 20:01

Farage is just another Putin puppet. You think he cares about disabled people?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-62813049.amp

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hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:08

They don’t chime with my needs but I think anyone who relies on expensive state support needs to worry if they do form a government . At the moment they aren’t in government. If they make a success of running councils it may be a different story . The other very big difference is the charisma of let’s have a pint NF , he’s a great orator for the working people , compared to wet lettuce smash the gangs starmer who wouldn’t inspire anyone .

R0ckl0bster · 04/05/2025 20:11

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 19:43

It may happen now but I think assessments will be tougher and the fact it’s on their radar means they’ll be changes of some sorts .

How will they be tougher? Ed psychs are going to assess and write reports the same as they always have. The supporting evidence parents have isn’t going to go away or change. The need of children isn’t going to disappear and the longer you leave needs the worse they become.

Smallmercies · 04/05/2025 20:13

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:08

They don’t chime with my needs but I think anyone who relies on expensive state support needs to worry if they do form a government . At the moment they aren’t in government. If they make a success of running councils it may be a different story . The other very big difference is the charisma of let’s have a pint NF , he’s a great orator for the working people , compared to wet lettuce smash the gangs starmer who wouldn’t inspire anyone .

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Charisma?! He's a disgusting, ugly toad. Why are people falling at his feet? Why is the bar set so low? And how exactly is this bunch of weirdos and misfits going to make a success of anything?

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:14

The bar is very low now

Teanbiscuits33 · 04/05/2025 20:14

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:08

They don’t chime with my needs but I think anyone who relies on expensive state support needs to worry if they do form a government . At the moment they aren’t in government. If they make a success of running councils it may be a different story . The other very big difference is the charisma of let’s have a pint NF , he’s a great orator for the working people , compared to wet lettuce smash the gangs starmer who wouldn’t inspire anyone .

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They won’t make a success of it. Farage already completely bankrupted a council in 6-7 months under UKIP. He will cut services and pocket the money as he is a grifter. He’s a good public speaker and a very successful manipulator who has a good understanding of psychology to play on people’s fears and prejudices to trick people into believing him. That’s where his competencies end.

R0ckl0bster · 04/05/2025 20:14

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:08

They don’t chime with my needs but I think anyone who relies on expensive state support needs to worry if they do form a government . At the moment they aren’t in government. If they make a success of running councils it may be a different story . The other very big difference is the charisma of let’s have a pint NF , he’s a great orator for the working people , compared to wet lettuce smash the gangs starmer who wouldn’t inspire anyone .

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But they clearly aren’t going to make a success. They’re all ignorant talk and no actual substance. They have no policies aside from Brexit which we all know was a disaster. And as for Farage having charisma- only if you have zero sense.

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:20

Well they are unknown and now they will either succeed or fail, time will tell . They have some very successful self made business men on board so they may do a trump and run on a purely profit / loss basis . The first thing they’ll do is look to cut costs in areas they don’t see any value in eg diversity roles , that saving will funnel into potholes etc .

mumda · 04/05/2025 20:23

LookingForRecommendation · 04/05/2025 13:12

No idea but equally SEN outcomes haven’t improved even with the extra spending

It seems an unsolvable problem

What's the problem that needs solving?

Snailiewhalie · 04/05/2025 20:28

"I think any additional, supplementary services (such as council provided transport or a 1:1 teaching assistant) should be paid for by the receiving family. These things aren’t free, and the cost has to be recouped from somewhere."

So if the parent doesn't pay the support isn't provided. That could make some classrooms ' interesting'.

Smallmercies · 04/05/2025 20:29

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:20

Well they are unknown and now they will either succeed or fail, time will tell . They have some very successful self made business men on board so they may do a trump and run on a purely profit / loss basis . The first thing they’ll do is look to cut costs in areas they don’t see any value in eg diversity roles , that saving will funnel into potholes etc .

They are actual morons, grafters and fascists. They are not unknown. These are the people who brought you Brexit and Jo Cox's murder.

R0ckl0bster · 04/05/2025 20:34

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:20

Well they are unknown and now they will either succeed or fail, time will tell . They have some very successful self made business men on board so they may do a trump and run on a purely profit / loss basis . The first thing they’ll do is look to cut costs in areas they don’t see any value in eg diversity roles , that saving will funnel into potholes etc .

🤣potholes, that crucial issue!

You do realise the UK isn’t the USA

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:34

Well then an awful lot of people seem to like morons , grafters ( assume you mean grifters) and fascists then judging by their successes at the poles . Again people voted in brexit . I wanted to remain but the vote didn’t go my way so I have to accept this .

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:38

R0ckl0bster · 04/05/2025 20:34

🤣potholes, that crucial issue!

You do realise the UK isn’t the USA

Potholes are a hot topic . Seems to be important . The useful thing is it’s visable so if people see potholes repaired they’ll say the council are doing well. Yes I’m very aware we aren’t the USA what a bizarre thing to say .

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 20:40

I listened to Professor Travers from LSE on the radio this morning. He thought that saving on diversity activities was a noisy distraction and a drop in the ocean. Very small savings to be had. Main expenses are adult and children social care, environment and health, roads and transport, central services, culture, planning, and housing. There’s not much fat there!

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 20:41

@hattie43 Grafters. They like grafters.

Fearfulsaints · 04/05/2025 20:47

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:38

Potholes are a hot topic . Seems to be important . The useful thing is it’s visable so if people see potholes repaired they’ll say the council are doing well. Yes I’m very aware we aren’t the USA what a bizarre thing to say .

I think this is true. If my LA started repairing all the pot holes, I think large number of people would be very happy and would think the council was very successful. People often only care about services they see or use and have little understanding if sen or social care unless directly impacted.

Annoyeddd · 04/05/2025 20:55

Someone upthread mentioned that reform insist that SEN didn't exist when they were young.
I am probably of reform supports age and SEN people certainly did exist however they were either placed in hospitals for what was known as "mentally handicapped" and left there for life or put in the remedial classes at school where the children would be doing handicrafts and not expected to achieve anything. Do reform want us to go back to those days

Smallmercies · 04/05/2025 20:57

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:34

Well then an awful lot of people seem to like morons , grafters ( assume you mean grifters) and fascists then judging by their successes at the poles . Again people voted in brexit . I wanted to remain but the vote didn’t go my way so I have to accept this .

*polls

PickAChew · 04/05/2025 21:17

hattie43 · 04/05/2025 20:20

Well they are unknown and now they will either succeed or fail, time will tell . They have some very successful self made business men on board so they may do a trump and run on a purely profit / loss basis . The first thing they’ll do is look to cut costs in areas they don’t see any value in eg diversity roles , that saving will funnel into potholes etc .

Oh aye. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-council-diversity-officers-local-elections-lincolnshire-jenkyns-b2744308.html

Reform mayor vows to sack council’s diversity officers - except there aren’t any

Dame Andrea Jenkyns has doubled down on Farage’s pledge to sack diversity officers in Lincolnshire but the county council has revealed it does not employ any

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-council-diversity-officers-local-elections-lincolnshire-jenkyns-b2744308.html

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