To say the current welfare system encourages this?

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I know a family, mum, dad, 4 kids 18-24.

They live next door to me and we rent from the same HA so I know their rent.

Dad is an alcoholic and claims PIP at maximum. Mum claims carers for him. The 2 sons remaining at home both get full PIP for mental health.

They receive £2200 per month UC, on top of full PIP. (Carers allowance is deducted £ for £) but all the elements add up to £2200. I know all this as I'm mid terrace and apparantly they like to sit in the garden discussing the ins and outs of everything.

Out of the £2200 UC and £800 is PIP for just the dad that's £3000 a month. Rent is £615 a month.

They have no need to worry about changing the status quo.

I am the child of an alcoholic, the day my parent lost their job and realised they couldn't provide for us was the day they realised they had no choice but to seek help.

Are we, as a country, actively discouraging people from getting better? I know i certainly wouldn't be in a rush to get better.

Well that is going to make no difference to anything, is it?

Apparantly one of the issues raised on the doorstep was opposition to Labour's plans for PIP.

£3000 a month between 4 people is £750 a month each. I might be missing something, but I'm still not getting how having someone live on less than £200 a week for rent, bills, food, and luxuries is encouraging them not to work or enabling them to live the high life.

I think the £2200 was the UC for the month plus the 2 adult sons get PIP as well as the father, so more than £3000 a month?

Well, he'll probably come unstuck once the PIP reforms come in next year.

Yes I’ve worked with a few people who turned to alcohol and/or drugs to escape some of their pain

Ah ok I stand corrected on the mobility aspect.

my apologies - I have enhanced for mobility on physical aspects and wasn’t aware of the other aspects.

every day is a school day!

that is not true for mobility, my aunty gets PIP for my cousin and he gets full mobility as he has to have an adult attend everywhere with him (cousin aged 33 not a child) and he is capable of walking any distance.

no way should two adult children be getting paid to sit at home. Mental health is a very stretchy thing which is being used more and more as a crutch. We cannot make it an acceptable opt out of society to say I have poor MH.

middle aged and TIRED here but also sick of being the group who pay more and more into the tax system.

I don’t think £3000 pm to support 4 adults is that much tbh. As a single childless woman on 2/3 of that I have a pretty simple existence

In our last house again we had loud neighbours. Although they weren’t overly friendly to us I knew loads about them. I think people who have benefits of this size just get used to the ways things are. They don’t have a work ethic and it often continues to the children. The mental health scenario is now the equivalent of the bad back. Difficult to review hence the benefits bills sprilingly out of control.

Add to that You Tube videos claiming to tell you what to say and how to say it on a claim form and then being assessed via Zoom on occasion and no wonder people are being signed off for life. And for those you say it’s VERY difficult to get benefits. Clearly not because the numbers just keep growing and growing

Great. Another day, another benefit bashing post.

How do you know so much about that family' s finances anyway to the point that you can share how much/what each individual receives?

Another made up post to push a specific agenda.

It may not be a lot to live on but it is a lot for the state to keep paying when there are two young adult sons and the Mum who need to be working.

It isn't just the cash they get, it's the fact that they are not out working contributing to the GDP, not paying tax, not paying N.I, not paying to their eventual pensions...all of which gets picked up by other people.