To be surprised that I see Harry’s point about the security

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Not usually a royal watcher but I watched this as it was on the bbc and I was surprised to feel sympathetic towards his main argument. It’s somewhat crazy that even Liz Truss gets life long security at the expense of the taxpayer, and he was born into this position rather than choosing it, and private security is no substitute if they don’t have arms or access to intelligence. He’s also right that the wider fallout if eg one of his children were to be kidnapped would be something to be seen.

Surely there must be a deal to be struck where he gets high level security provided by the state but contributes to the cost through the tax system. I’m not surprised he’s upset about it and although he was never going to win his case because of the nature of the particular decision making regime, he has put the issue in the public eye in a more effective way than he usually achieves!

not true. He has to give notice and a risk assessment is done that looks at the current risk and then provides appropriate security which may well be armed. Same for his wife and kids and no.he doesn't need an invite.
If people would only look at the facts it might help instead of spouting nonsense.

One thing that struck me as particularly cruel is when Harry said that regular members of the public whose lives are threatened can even get tax-funded security if the risk is high enough. But he is not even allowed to be treated as a regular citizen. So he’s not a working royal but also not treated as a citizen so he’s in this liminal space. He has not been given a risk assessment since 2019 bc the royal household members sitting on RAVEC, the ones meant to be representing the royals, are advising against it. Harry’s appealing to the govt. to step in but I’m betting they won’t. They should all be ashamed. Every single person.

You should have realised by now that what comes out of Harry’s mouth has no resemblance to the actual truth.

This sort of response is really not funny anymore - it’s a bit dated, predictable and well, boring.

@LipglossAlly you're right that Harry has not had a RMB assessment since 2019 - thats because he has a bespoke assessment outside of the cycle of RMB. It is an alternative approach for his specific circumstances not an inferior approach.

I’m far from a Harry fan or RF fan.

but we have the RF as an institution in this country. They are deemed to be granted very special privileges & status from birth, by God & state.

of course Harry & his family should be offered protection & the RF purse should pay.

he didn’t choose this lunacy, but unfortunately he can’t escape it.

@RobinEllacotStrike can you point to a decision that means Harry doens't get protection?

He gets protection. He just has to tell people that he is coming.

If you mean FT international security, not going to happen. He could make changes and behave in a way which would make him less of a threat/safer but he doesn’t want to do that.

Harry has not had a RMB assessment since 2019, correct. The RMB review was done yearly by Ravec for protected people and looked at worst case scenarios. It was premised on the basis that these were UK risks for a royal living in the UK. Harry was planning on leaving the UK - as in fact he did, and has not returned - so the RMB would be redundant.

He has had threat assessments done (which are different) each time he comes back to the UK. This is the ”bespoke” arrangement.

This is all set out in the first court judgment.

If he’s getting protection then great. So he should.

Alos, individual citizens getting armed security have to be subject to an incredibly high level of threat. Salman Rushdie is a good example. Or Taylor Swift, who was in London for concerts twice, but was only given security on the second visit after an actual terrorist plot to attack her concerts was discovered.

Being a controversial public figure wouldn’t get Harry anywhere near any level of security if assessed as a private citizen. Otherwise people like J K Rowling would qualify. He gets the security he gets because he is royal. He’s just peeved because he’s being treated as his aunts and uncles rather than his father and brother.

That’s not true at all! He has to give notice of when he wants to come so a risk assessment can be carried out.

The answer to that would be a no

And you believe him?

It's all smoke, mirrors and lies.

All he has to do is give RAVEC 28 days notice of his visit and they will undertake a risk assessment to ascertain how much security he (and his family) need which may or may not be armed but which will be completely free. Just like any other citizen.

Unfortunately, this petulant man-child is just soooo important he's refused to give RAVEC 28 days notice on any occasion. He hasn't followed the correct procedure, he's lost out and all of this yet again in his twisted little mind is the fault of the King/Royal advisors/the Government.

This is a deliberate and highly manipulative campaign on Harry's part to undermine the King and the institution of monarchy because Harry is jealous of William being heir to the throne.

Harry's words are not to be trusted.

RAVEC is NOT a royal prerogative, it's authority lies with the Government.

He's absolutely minted. Why can't he pay for his own private security?

Nc for this one as outing.
Firstly I'm so sorry you're here. I hope you have found the government benefit you are entitled to for the first 18 months for you and your daughter.
Secondly no she shouldn't have to pay it as it is to her. The debt belongs to the estate and this is separate to the estate as he named her. Morally maybe...but legally no. You will never win a morality argument with someone once it's got to this point they will just make you look greedy which is ehat they have done.

As hard as it may be now you need to concentrate on what's best for your daughter. She has rights as his dependant. It maybe that you will have to sell the house to repay the mortgage and then she inherits what's left but she doesn't get the full value when there is debt in the estate (mortgage)
However..and this is where you need to be really savy... all life insurance payments are paid out at the discretion of the trustees. If the person has named a beneficiary then they will consider this and if no complicated circumstances will usually follow this BUT it is the trustees choice to do this not an obligation.
When claiming the funds your MIL would gave to complete paperwork for consideration that includes information on anyone who was financially dependant on your partner and that he has a child ect. If there is a dispute... the trustees look fairly at why it was done and the circumstances. And may choose instead of issuing it to your MIL to issue it to his estate I stead so that the legal position takes care of any difficulty and they don't get drawn into it.
If this is the case legally your daughter inherits the estate and you would be able to use the funds to repay the mortgage.
If I was your would get so.eadvice. maybe something like WAY widowed and young may help with legal support.
But if you knwowhp the policy was with then write to them immedand state that your partner had child with you who is his sole heir and that he had told you about the policy and what your understanding is. Ie if it was taken out after he became a father and he told you this was to protect daughter then it negates that he named.MIL as his intent was different. They may still choose to pay it to MIL but the more info they have the more devision they have to make.
Good luck...and remember you're doing this foe your child which is what he would have wanted.

by keeping his mouth shut I mean he does not spread half truths , lies and innuendo about people for financial gain. He freely had his say in the Emily Maitliss interview. He wasn't gagged. It was a huge mistake but he was free to talk as he wished. No one dragged him to the tower to shut him up .
So your argument is rubbish unless you think people should be free to slander people at will with zero evidence.Harry has now done that to several top judges as well as his family and has produced not a single concrete shred of evidence to back it up.
So if they are hiding things ( completely crap in my opinion ) don't you think Harry and his wife would have sold it to the highest bidder long since as well might Andrew. He is another one only out for himself so I expect he would not hesitate .
So my post proves nothing unless you are a delusional anti monarchist who chooses to believe fantasy rather than facts of course.

No wonder Harry gets away with his half truths and manipulations when so many people seem to be completely unable to understand very simple things.

Part of me thinks he actually believes it, mind. He's incapable of actually understanding that the world doesn't revolve around him, that it was quite natural that his status was going to be downgraded when he decided he no longer wanted to do his job, and that bespoke security on a case-by-case basis isn't inferior but in fact is a better way of protecting him and his family given their circumstances. He's too dim and too damaged to see things rationally. Don't do drugs, kids.

It's just as likely, of course, that he does understand perfectly well and, as pp have said, that this is really about IPP status which he wants because he can't stand being seen as lesser.

Perfectly put. The amount of people on this thread who haven’t actually read the court findings of the case but prefer to listen to Harry or make up their own scenario is quite unbelievable

No the government has delegated authority to RAVEC

In common with all Windsor financial machinations there are layers of obfuscation .
To the casual observer the royal link is not obvious - eg when William and Charles are charging rent to the NHS / charities etc- journalists had to dig to find the link to the Duchy rip off . Re the Duchys themselves a set of accounts is offered - the casual observer thinks oh they are complying with the law just as we must. Except they aren’t - they decide for themselves what information will be included and what will be hidden . William has stopped even doing that and won’t even confirm if what amount of tax he is willing to pay .

Committees, front companies , partial information, obfuscation
It’s a disgrace that we are expected to accept this from the Windsors in return for the half a billion a year they take from the taxpayer

RAVEC is authorised by the Home Office to allocate security, it is therefore accountable to the Home Office, a part of the Government.
It is not authorised by the Crown or accountable to the Crown, there is no "Royal prerogative" as you stated.

That still does not mean it’s royal prerogative and the government will still have input

To the casual observer the royal link is not obvious - eg when William and Charles are charging rent to the NHS / charities etc- journalists had to dig to find the link to the Duchy rip off . Re the Duchys themselves a set of accounts is offered - the casual observer thinks oh they are complying with the law just as we must.

Just on “the Duchy rip off” you mention. The Duchies are required by an act of Parliament to charge commercial rent to organisations that enter into leases with them, and the Treasury is required to check that they do. So they are complying with the law, just as we must, you are right. A very specific law, in this case.