Would you take out of nursery and report to ofsted

[Peary8]

My DD has just moved up to a new room and within a few weeks had one bad accident where she got a bad mark on her leg. Went to nursery again Friday and had a bad accident. Within 15 minutes of getting there I was going back to pick her up. No one knows how it happened but she cracked her head open and has had to have butterfly stitches. She is 2

Yes

Yes I would.

Define bad accident. I wouldn’t say leaving a mark on a leg was a bad accident.

I think you should ask for a meeting with the Manager to understand more about what happened. 2 year olds are notorious for falling or injuring themselves. Did you see an accident form?

Yes but nobody knows. No one was watching so they don’t know if she fell or tripped over something or what happened. They just heard her hit the floor and cracked her head open, had to go to the hospital where she’s had stitches

A bad mark? A bruise? Or?

Yes it bruised, but nobody knows what happened both times

My 3 are now 12, 10 and 8 and permanently covered in mystery bruises. There’s not a hope that I could account for every bruise on their body when they were 2.

I wouldn’t see this as a problem, I would see this as one of those things. At the minute she’s only had 1 real accident if the outcome of the other 2 was a bruise. And that can happen to anyone at any time.

Bruises are so common with children. Really it's not a bad accident.

What are your suspicions? My daughter got two black eyes from a fall that was witnessed. Do you think they’re doing something untoward?

I’d take them out and report. I have 2 little ones 3 &2 and yes accidents happen all the time!! But I can account for bruises that are significant. My son just the other week fell and bit almost all the way through his lip. It definitely would have bled and he wouldn’t eat any of his lunch but when I collected him no one could tell me what happened to him. He’s a crier, there’s no way on earth something that bad would have gone unnoticed bless him. But yeah I wasn’t happy.

It’s more the fact no one knows what’s happened, even with the accident requiring stitches

Yup. Completely plausible. I genuinely couldn’t tell you how my children get injured even when they’re in my care and I’m watching them.

I can believe that noone saw it, you wouldn't believe the amount of things that are missed even with several pairs of eyes on. It's always just as you turn the other way that something happens. I wouldn't report to Ofsted, accidents happen and there's nothing Ofsted can do to stop them

How are the staff supposed to watch each child all the time? 2 year olds are notoriously terrible at injuring themselves in the stupidest ways. One of mine broke an arm falling from a small kids chair. They weren't even doing anything stupid on the chair. I happened to see it, but I could quite easily have turned away at the wrong point.

I've got older kids now and they are constantly bruised from stuff at school, home, being in bikes etc. I wouldn't be worried unless is was particularly unsuitable bruises - hand marks, grab marks, bruises in intimate areas etc.

Of course you can on a 1:2 ratio. Wouldn't be the same on a 1:5 or 1:8 ratio though!

Well I don’t have eyes on my own kids 100% of the time and I take the view that they could well (and do) get injuries when in my care as toddlers, so I never react harshly when they inevitably skin their knees or something at nursery. Something clearly preventable like a 2 year old getting hold of a sharp pair of scissors and gouging their eye for example I would class as negligence, but with all the will in the world you can be watching a toddler and they will fall flat on their face/trip over their own two feet in a second flat.

I would let it go personally in the situations you’ve described.

How have they responded to the cracked head accident? Have they investigated? Do they not have cameras?

Depends. I had small wrecking balls for children. They were always climbing and running and had to be watched like hawks.
How are the nursery handling it? I'd expect management to be in touch and a bit of a debrief. Did they ring you to check on dd?

God yes I'd remove. No one was watching her!

My DC is with a childminder who has just 2 other kids, so three in total, all age 2-5. My DC is 2 and hasn't had a single accident there, despite the fact that she gets injuries when we watch her! I don't think the nursery are watching your DC closely enough and I wouldn't be happy with that level of injury

She tripped over, and banged her head. My daughter did the same when MIL was looking after her, just the two of them, we had to go and have it glued. It was just unlucky .. 9 times out of 10 it would have been nothing but a regular fall.

Do you know if she was crying and they comforted her but just didn't see the fall? That's very different than if she was just discovered with a wound on her head and no-one knows what happened. If it's the latter I'd pull her out.

I can find bruises on my leg and not know how/when. You are being unrealistic to expect there will be someone watching every second they are there.