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Or should Social Services be telling me more.

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Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 11:36

I recently contacted the local authority , requesting my social work records from childhood.

Mostly in pure curiosity but, also just to validate and understand my memories of what happened.

I had a fairly crappy time as a kid, though not as awful as what some people have been through. There was definitely social work involved at several points of my life. I was moved school ten times, usually in response to them being contacted and my mother moving us to avoid them. There were multiple court cases between my parents accusing each other of all sorts , all involving social workers to some degree.

There was always alcoholism, neglect, violence and abuse at home. There were known criminals and convicted sex offenders frequenting the house. I know that they knew this, because I remember several occasions where I was questioned and told they wanted to help me, they suspected x, y and z, but they needed me to make direct disclosures about what they knew was going on.

I won’t share piles of things that happened because it’s not the point of the thread. But just for further context, I was also taken into police custody at least twice as a child, when two different partners of my mother, were arrested while they happened to have me under their care (not for a crime against me, but for other crimes while I was present) , so I KNOW there must have been referrals done then, as well as the ones from schools, the ones done during court proceedings and possibly some from when relatives contacted them, though we aren’t sure what action was taken as they were never allowed to access us.
My mother was also hospitalised multiple times and we were just left at home with no idea where she was, when she would be back and sometimes no-one even knowing we were there or coming to check on us.

I remember having social workers. I remember them coming to take us to McDonald’s and the like, never really explaining why they were there and what it all meant. I never knew what would happen if I spoke up, because they never told me. It was only much later, after they’d left me there and not helped me SO many times, that they started telling me as a teenager, that they ‘wanted to help’ and that they had an idea of what was going on but needed me to be the one to disclose it. I remember wondering why they wernt just taking me out of there, if they ‘knew’. I also felt completely let down by every time I had spoken up a bit and been left with the consequences of that at home, where life got much worse and those hurting me grew bolder, given that Social Services had been in, and seemingly deemed it ok to do nothing. It meant I didn’t trust them. It kind of felt like all this energy that had gone in to keeping secrets… was a bit pointless. Because here they were inside that house, with more than enough evidence… and then they’d leave again and nothing would happen. I once called 999 in genuine fear for my life, and police came out, agreed I wasn’t safe, but they had no where to put me so they said they’d have to leave me and come back in the morning to check I’d not been hurt. (They did come back to check, with social workers in tow and I was still alive so I guess that was case closed)

Social workers often interviewed me in the presence of my parent (including on the morning after I’d called 999 on her) , who apparently had a legal right to be there and always insisted upon it. So that was further evidence to me that she held more power over me and my wellbeing than they did.

Anyway, VERY long story short, I am now in my thirties, and everyone who was actively involved in my childhood is either dead, or so riddled with substance misuse that they’d be entirely unreliable for me to ask what the hell happened. I really wanted to see the records so I could piece together what happened to me, how much of it could have been different, and whether I was as badly let down as I suspect by people who should have done more.

I hold a huge burden of self blame about the fact that I didn’t shout louder, or act out more and lived in abject terror of the consequences at home if I dared to let anything slip. I know this is completely irrational and actually none of it was my fault, but there’s still a part of me that just wants to see on paper, that more should have been done to get me out, or help me in some way because there was always more than enough evidence of what was happening, and I just was left there because I wasn’t making enough of a fuss for them to step in.

I’ve been told that because I live in scotland, all social work records are destroyed after five years (it’s different across the rest of the uk). And basically I’ve just been told there’s nothing been kept that I can look at. There’s no record of what happened to me, apparently there WAS, but it’s been noted as having been destroyed.

Is that just ‘it’ then? There’s nothing I can do, and no point in pursuing it any further? If I pushed harder would there be any chance that they haven’t looked hard enough or haven’t checked the right places.

I really do believe that I was badly let down by Social Services, and that there were so many parts of my childhood that didn’t need to be as dark as they were, because someone should have done something , and had enough information there to do so. And I know I can’t really hold anyone accountable for it but I’d just like to see for myself, on paper, that it wasn’t my fault for being too scared to stand up and scream the rooftops off.

Am I being unreasonable and should I just let it go and accept il never know more. Or should I be stamping my feet about it until they find something useful. I appreciate social services have MUCH more pressing work to do and I feel a bit selfish to be moaning about old records when there are children out there who need time and resources.

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BlondiePortz · 27/04/2025 11:42

You have every right to feel whatever you want but other than totally removing you and putting you in foster care not sure what else they could have done, sadly parents create these issues and social services is stretched, there can always be more that can be done but only so much resources to do it

policeandthebeef · 27/04/2025 11:44

OP your experience is really, really relatable and I'm so sorry you've been through this. I'm 30 now, with my own DC and have had thoughts similar.

gently, I think you need to try and put this to bed. Have you had any counselling to address the self blame? No abuse or horrific childhood is ever at the fault of the child. Ever. If you did get the records, I think they could possibly provoke more questions and more confusion. More of a 'why didn't they help, it was evident I needed it' and I think it could in the long run make you feel worse. It's almost like finding a way to place your anger, and it will be redirected elsewhere once you've got the records.
you wouldn't be selfish moaning about the records, as they are your records and you feel like you need them.

you will never fully understand what you were put through, as you could never do that to someone else. I think working towards accepting you'll never understand, and be at peace with that, will bring you more peace in the long run.

I don't have the answers OP, but I'm here in solidarity. ❤️

Jshrbt · 27/04/2025 11:45

I’m sorry this happened; Im shocked that Scotland destroy records after that period of time as England keep them for much longer. I think you absolutely should be creating a fuss about this although admittedly it won’t change it for you.
As part of my job I look back at old records and I would say that social work and child protection was very different 20-30 years ago; even 10 years ago. Thresholds and how things would be handled now is very different; that’s not an excuse but just a statement of fact. There wasn’t enough understood about the emotional impact on children in the past.

Lennon80 · 27/04/2025 11:49

child protection records are kept for 100 years - also case in Scotland you need to make an access to information request to the local authority.

ExtraOnions · 27/04/2025 11:51

When I was working in Social Care (I was in ICT, so records and retention cane under me). We kept Children's records for 75 years. However, this was when action was taken.. anything with no action, or malicious, was deleted much sooner.

There was also lots of stuff redacted before files were sent out.

Menapausemum1974 · 27/04/2025 12:13

Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 11:36

I recently contacted the local authority , requesting my social work records from childhood.

Mostly in pure curiosity but, also just to validate and understand my memories of what happened.

I had a fairly crappy time as a kid, though not as awful as what some people have been through. There was definitely social work involved at several points of my life. I was moved school ten times, usually in response to them being contacted and my mother moving us to avoid them. There were multiple court cases between my parents accusing each other of all sorts , all involving social workers to some degree.

There was always alcoholism, neglect, violence and abuse at home. There were known criminals and convicted sex offenders frequenting the house. I know that they knew this, because I remember several occasions where I was questioned and told they wanted to help me, they suspected x, y and z, but they needed me to make direct disclosures about what they knew was going on.

I won’t share piles of things that happened because it’s not the point of the thread. But just for further context, I was also taken into police custody at least twice as a child, when two different partners of my mother, were arrested while they happened to have me under their care (not for a crime against me, but for other crimes while I was present) , so I KNOW there must have been referrals done then, as well as the ones from schools, the ones done during court proceedings and possibly some from when relatives contacted them, though we aren’t sure what action was taken as they were never allowed to access us.
My mother was also hospitalised multiple times and we were just left at home with no idea where she was, when she would be back and sometimes no-one even knowing we were there or coming to check on us.

I remember having social workers. I remember them coming to take us to McDonald’s and the like, never really explaining why they were there and what it all meant. I never knew what would happen if I spoke up, because they never told me. It was only much later, after they’d left me there and not helped me SO many times, that they started telling me as a teenager, that they ‘wanted to help’ and that they had an idea of what was going on but needed me to be the one to disclose it. I remember wondering why they wernt just taking me out of there, if they ‘knew’. I also felt completely let down by every time I had spoken up a bit and been left with the consequences of that at home, where life got much worse and those hurting me grew bolder, given that Social Services had been in, and seemingly deemed it ok to do nothing. It meant I didn’t trust them. It kind of felt like all this energy that had gone in to keeping secrets… was a bit pointless. Because here they were inside that house, with more than enough evidence… and then they’d leave again and nothing would happen. I once called 999 in genuine fear for my life, and police came out, agreed I wasn’t safe, but they had no where to put me so they said they’d have to leave me and come back in the morning to check I’d not been hurt. (They did come back to check, with social workers in tow and I was still alive so I guess that was case closed)

Social workers often interviewed me in the presence of my parent (including on the morning after I’d called 999 on her) , who apparently had a legal right to be there and always insisted upon it. So that was further evidence to me that she held more power over me and my wellbeing than they did.

Anyway, VERY long story short, I am now in my thirties, and everyone who was actively involved in my childhood is either dead, or so riddled with substance misuse that they’d be entirely unreliable for me to ask what the hell happened. I really wanted to see the records so I could piece together what happened to me, how much of it could have been different, and whether I was as badly let down as I suspect by people who should have done more.

I hold a huge burden of self blame about the fact that I didn’t shout louder, or act out more and lived in abject terror of the consequences at home if I dared to let anything slip. I know this is completely irrational and actually none of it was my fault, but there’s still a part of me that just wants to see on paper, that more should have been done to get me out, or help me in some way because there was always more than enough evidence of what was happening, and I just was left there because I wasn’t making enough of a fuss for them to step in.

I’ve been told that because I live in scotland, all social work records are destroyed after five years (it’s different across the rest of the uk). And basically I’ve just been told there’s nothing been kept that I can look at. There’s no record of what happened to me, apparently there WAS, but it’s been noted as having been destroyed.

Is that just ‘it’ then? There’s nothing I can do, and no point in pursuing it any further? If I pushed harder would there be any chance that they haven’t looked hard enough or haven’t checked the right places.

I really do believe that I was badly let down by Social Services, and that there were so many parts of my childhood that didn’t need to be as dark as they were, because someone should have done something , and had enough information there to do so. And I know I can’t really hold anyone accountable for it but I’d just like to see for myself, on paper, that it wasn’t my fault for being too scared to stand up and scream the rooftops off.

Am I being unreasonable and should I just let it go and accept il never know more. Or should I be stamping my feet about it until they find something useful. I appreciate social services have MUCH more pressing work to do and I feel a bit selfish to be moaning about old records when there are children out there who need time and resources.

@Anonforobvreasons this is not true!
i work with someone who requested theirs a few years back, he is 30 and he eventually got them all ( we are also in Scotland)

Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:15

BlondiePortz · 27/04/2025 11:42

You have every right to feel whatever you want but other than totally removing you and putting you in foster care not sure what else they could have done, sadly parents create these issues and social services is stretched, there can always be more that can be done but only so much resources to do it

Yes , I totally agree with this. Personally I do think that we should have been removed, and multiple people should have faced criminal charges for so many aspects of what happened. I’d have jumped at the chance to get out, and I did, as soon as I was able to. I don’t blame social services entirely, but I do feel like I need to how much of it was suspected and how much was fully known and not acted on.

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Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:16

Lennon80 · 27/04/2025 11:49

child protection records are kept for 100 years - also case in Scotland you need to make an access to information request to the local authority.

I’ve done this but was told in scotland they are only held five years, unless a child has been subject to removal

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ExtraOnions · 27/04/2025 12:17

Menapausemum1974 · 27/04/2025 12:13

@Anonforobvreasons this is not true!
i work with someone who requested theirs a few years back, he is 30 and he eventually got them all ( we are also in Scotland)

Depends on the level of intervention, and the services supplied … your friends circumstances may well be different to the OPs

Carnation25 · 27/04/2025 12:17

Only if the child was on the Child Protection Register (or looked after), otherwise records of child protection enquiries are destoyed after 5 years in Scotland. Shocking!

Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:21

policeandthebeef · 27/04/2025 11:44

OP your experience is really, really relatable and I'm so sorry you've been through this. I'm 30 now, with my own DC and have had thoughts similar.

gently, I think you need to try and put this to bed. Have you had any counselling to address the self blame? No abuse or horrific childhood is ever at the fault of the child. Ever. If you did get the records, I think they could possibly provoke more questions and more confusion. More of a 'why didn't they help, it was evident I needed it' and I think it could in the long run make you feel worse. It's almost like finding a way to place your anger, and it will be redirected elsewhere once you've got the records.
you wouldn't be selfish moaning about the records, as they are your records and you feel like you need them.

you will never fully understand what you were put through, as you could never do that to someone else. I think working towards accepting you'll never understand, and be at peace with that, will bring you more peace in the long run.

I don't have the answers OP, but I'm here in solidarity. ❤️

Appreciate this 🩵. It was really only after having my own that I really comprehended just HOW bad it all was.

I’ve had intensive therapy through the NHS as I was all kinds of screwed up after my childhood but I’m now as well, healthy and at peace with it all as I can be.

but I still have these moments where I just want to see the timeline of it all, match bits up to work out the ‘why’s’ and ‘what ifs’, make sense of how it was all allowed to unfold as it did.

Il be ok if I never get to, but I know there’s a deep need in me to have that made possible.

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Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:26

Carnation25 · 27/04/2025 12:17

Only if the child was on the Child Protection Register (or looked after), otherwise records of child protection enquiries are destoyed after 5 years in Scotland. Shocking!

Yes! It’s insanity? We were ‘looked after’ but always in an informal fashion. Taken away and given to the other parent in an emergency but it would be temporary and we would be unceremoniously dumped back at the Horror Show within weeks because Parent B had the means to care for us but not the will, and Parent A wanted us but was bloody awful to us and wanted us for the wrong reasons.

But because these measures were not formal child protection emergency removals into foster care, they don’t count as having to keep records.

They failed to make it official enough, they failed to take the appropriate action and now they get to erase the record BECAUSE that action wasn’t taken. Madness.

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Endofyear · 27/04/2025 12:31

I'm so sorry that you were badly let down in your childhood. What an amazing woman you must be to have survived it and got to a place where you are healthy and as at peace as you can be.

I think it's awful that records have been destroyed but not sure how you could possibly find out more information under the circumstances. If there was police involvement at times, would they have records that they could disclose to you?

FrogsAndDaffodils · 27/04/2025 12:37

In England/Wales there's a charity for care leavers that can advise on how to get your notes. I'm not sure if they cover Scotland, but if you contact them they may be able to help.

I contacted them, and spoke to a lovely man who told me how to support my partner with getting his. He has experience of the care system, and advised that the notes are often inaccurate though.

The organisation was called Care Leavers Connected. I'm sorry that you were left in such an awful home environment. It wasn't your fault that the adults, both parents and social services/police let you down. They asked the wrong questions, you didn't give the wrong answers.

thestudio · 27/04/2025 12:43

If that is true about record-keeping in Scotland it is absolutely insane! What about parents who go on to have another child, or abuse someone else's child?

What possible justification can there be that doesn't centre the adults' rights over those of the children?

Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:49

Endofyear · 27/04/2025 12:31

I'm so sorry that you were badly let down in your childhood. What an amazing woman you must be to have survived it and got to a place where you are healthy and as at peace as you can be.

I think it's awful that records have been destroyed but not sure how you could possibly find out more information under the circumstances. If there was police involvement at times, would they have records that they could disclose to you?

Ive not tried that angle yet as I really don’t much about police records and what gets kept or not. Perhaps worth a look!

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Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:51

thestudio · 27/04/2025 12:43

If that is true about record-keeping in Scotland it is absolutely insane! What about parents who go on to have another child, or abuse someone else's child?

What possible justification can there be that doesn't centre the adults' rights over those of the children?

I’m not sure! Especially nowadays, when it can surely all be kept electronically. If people wanted to make accusations about historical child abuse (I don’t, I’ve no intention of using the information for anything but my own understanding) surely they have a right to access any recording of evidence about it long after five years.

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ProudCat · 27/04/2025 12:53

I'm reading two things here:

  1. Because everyone around you back then was so messed up, you don't have a reliable narrator for your childhood and this has / is impacting on you.
  1. You suspect social services were negligent and didn't discharge their legal duty.

Others have already said useful things about point 1. In terms of point 2. might it be worth contacting a solicitor. If you've got a case (it would be personal injury) because you've suffered loss and damage, and if the solicitor can get round any statute of limitations (I'm not familiar with Scottish law) then you might get the answers you're looking for in court.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/04/2025 12:57

I am not disputing what you say at all, but according to the information available on line, in Scotland, social work records are not typically destroyed after five years. The retention periods for social work records vary depending on the specific type of record, but they are generally kept for longer than five years.

While the specific retention periods can vary, here's a general overview:
Children in Need cases: These are typically kept for 25 years.
Child protection cases: These are generally retained for 30 years.
Looked after children cases: Records are kept for 100 years, as these children may need to access their records as adults.
Adult social work records: The retention period for these can vary, but they are generally kept for a longer period than five years.
Mental health records: These are kept for 20 years after the individual was last seen or discharged from treatment under the Mental Health Act 1983.

I remember having social workers. I remember them coming to take us to McDonald’s and the like, never really explaining why they were there and what it all meant. I never knew what would happen if I spoke up, because they never told me.
I strongly suspect that these were not social workers, but volunteers - most social services have these "big brother/sister" adult volunteers, and their role is to take young people out. They are trained to provide support and do provide information to case workers, but they are not social workers.

That said, what social services "know" and what they can evidence are very different things, and without evidence they would not get the courts approval to removing children. Social workers do not make those decisions, courts do, and they have to present evidence to a court that proves their knowledge.

It is absolutely not your fault that you didn't open up and tell people what was happening to you, but if there really was nothing more than suspicions then it also wasn't the social workers faults. The people at fault were your parents, and you can put the blame squarely on them. I understand the desire to find answers and explanations, but even if you get access to some records, I doubt that will explain anything more than the fact they had insufficient evidence.

policeandthebeef · 27/04/2025 12:58

Anonforobvreasons · 27/04/2025 12:21

Appreciate this 🩵. It was really only after having my own that I really comprehended just HOW bad it all was.

I’ve had intensive therapy through the NHS as I was all kinds of screwed up after my childhood but I’m now as well, healthy and at peace with it all as I can be.

but I still have these moments where I just want to see the timeline of it all, match bits up to work out the ‘why’s’ and ‘what ifs’, make sense of how it was all allowed to unfold as it did.

Il be ok if I never get to, but I know there’s a deep need in me to have that made possible.

If it's a deep need OP and it would make you feel more at peace, then absolutely try and do it. They are your records and you absolutely have rights to them. I don't know if the laws are the same in Scotland but I'd be requesting a SAR.

best of luck to you, you sound like a lovely mum. ❤️

Menapausemum1974 · 27/04/2025 12:58

ExtraOnions · 27/04/2025 12:17

Depends on the level of intervention, and the services supplied … your friends circumstances may well be different to the OPs

@ExtraOnions potentially but their stories don't seem much different 🤷‍♀️

PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/04/2025 13:01

Just to add - aren't there court records? I think those are kept for a long time. Maybe a start?

Ohnobackagain · 27/04/2025 13:07

@Anonforobvreasons you have had some good advice here. If it turns out you cannot find any records because of the 5 year thing, might you get some closure by trying to change the process for the good of people experiencing similar now and in the future? I understand it may be hard/frustrating/impossible and of course you may not want to do this - it is just an idea, as I can’t think of anything else that others haven’t already said. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do and I really hope you find peace.

Pepsipepsi · 27/04/2025 13:33

Ah I'm sorry you had a tough childhood OP. I can relate to social services being involved but never doing anything to help you as a child. My mum also basically told social services to fuck off and they did. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I was going to look into the records because I had a few similar "wtf" memories and don't understand how I was allowed to stay with my birth mum who was totally incapable of parenting. But when I started researching, I saw the destroying records timeline on the council website so didn't bother as its probably too late.

We can't change the past. You were a child and totally not responsible for the actions of the adults around you. Be kinder and easier on yourself. ♥️

Fwiw I have extended family in the care system and being moved all over and from foster family to foster family often without your siblings, and getting abandoned by the authorities at 18 isn't a great way to grow up either. You'll never know if life could've been better or worse had you stayed or been removed.

Be proud of yourself for coming out the other side. My goals in life are just to be peaceful and content. It's so lovely living in a quiet house where no one is screaming and losing their shit over the tiniest things.

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/04/2025 13:39

Is that is true about record-keeping in Scotland it is absolutely insane! What about parents who go on to have another child, or abuse someone else's child?

Social work records for children who had intervention but no legal order are held until the person is 25, so 7 years after they reach adulthood. There needs to be a retention policy otherwise there would be hundreds of thousands of people with a social work file where information is held unnecessarily. There are good reasons for holding records for children who are looked after and accommodated for longer.

@Anonforobvreasons I can understand you wanting to know what happened and what measures were taken to protect you. What I’d say though is that records at that time may not give you what you’re looking for. Records would be pretty patchy and very dependent on what the person involved with you felt needed to be recorded. It’s also likely you’d read things about yourself that would be very hard to see.

Even with your records you might not get the clarity you want, and things always look different in hindsight so while there might have been raw information, you won’t have the perception or decision making processes of the workers involved.

In my experience being able to accept there are going to be gaps, and coming to terms with it is difficult but worthwhile.

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