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Paddleboarding tragedy (why did she do this?)

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PassingStranger · 25/04/2025 16:55

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-cops-grovelling-voice-note-35105323

Did anyone else see this on the news?
4 people died
Horrific, imagine their panic.

What was behind this desire to take them out, when she shouldn't have.
I'll presume it was money sadly.😢

I'm glad she got prison.

Fatal error by 'cowardly' ex-cop that killed four in paddleboarding tragedy

Former police officer Nerys Bethan Lloyd has been jailed for 10 years and six months over the deaths of four paddleboarders in Wales after the "avoidable tragedy"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-cops-grovelling-voice-note-35105323

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meevee · 25/04/2025 21:22

I don't think we are taught enough about the dangers of the sea/rivers tbh. I googled weirs because of this and was shocked.

NorthWestToWest · 25/04/2025 21:24

2.5 years for each death.

Terrible.

thenightsky · 25/04/2025 21:34

RollerCoaster2020 · 25/04/2025 20:08

The water can be very deceptive.
Take a look at what is called the strid. North Yorkshire.

I'm from Ilkley. Lads from school used to jump The Strid.

PassingStranger · 25/04/2025 21:44

Jenhen1982 · 25/04/2025 21:06

I knew one of the people who died and honestly I think it is horrendous, 10 years is no where near enough time to compensate for 4 lives lost. She was not qualified to take them out, she had not instructed them to wear the right clothing, use the right ankle attachments for river paddleboarding. She didn’t even take next of kin details which resulted in one of the victims mother not finding out her daughter was dead until 12 hours after the fact. She was blase in all the video footage and clearly thought going down over the weir would add excitement to the trip and had no idea of the consequences! It makes me so sad tor the families and friends of the victims that she got to spend the last 3 1/2 years in the wide world enjoying herself before she was sent to prison.

the families have a permanent prison sentence and she will never be able to take that back. I hope she loses everything important to her.

She split up with her wife over it.

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Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 21:46

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 25/04/2025 18:09

Sending people over a dangerous weir without the correct equipment?

Sounds pretty murdery to me.

Remind us of the details of your distinguished legal career again? 🥰

PassingStranger · 25/04/2025 21:48

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 21:46

Remind us of the details of your distinguished legal career again? 🥰

Ha seriously though nobody would ever know whether she did intend to kill.people or not

It's assumed it was an a cident could anyone UT her really know though?

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dimsiaradcymraeg · 25/04/2025 21:53

Was it arrogance or stupidity? How do you know, if you don’t know? It’s bloody scary that these sort of ‘organised’ trips can be created without any expertise or experience.

I live in the area. Not one person who knows the water way would ever think that was a viable let alone, safe route to take. How did she not know that?

Why aren’t these sort of activities regulated in some way?

Mushypeasandchipstogo · 25/04/2025 21:55

I think that she got off too lightly. According to the judge she showed little remorse and put the blame on the man that died. As someone else said arrogance and stupidity are a lethal mix.

AltitudeCheck · 25/04/2025 22:06

The sentencing remarks are online https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/R-v-Nerys-Bethan-Lloyd-sentencing-remarks-FINAL.pdf

It doesn't seem money was a motivating factor. While people had paid for the trip amd accommodation the weekend wasn't going to make a profit and the plan B, a walk if wind curtailed paddling, wouldn't have meant any personal financial loss. Several of the group were friends of hers and one was a neighbour.

Wanting people to have an adventure and having promosed an exciting experience not being willing to take an easy/ boring (safe) option or deviate from the plan and the Dunning-Kruger effect. Tragic.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/R-v-Nerys-Bethan-Lloyd-sentencing-remarks-FINAL.pdf

Theyalwaysknewbest · 25/04/2025 22:19

Enlarge the image of just her eyes and look in to them.
They give me a cold shiver down my spine.

Christwosheds · 25/04/2025 22:25

Somethingsnapped · 25/04/2025 19:50

Yes, and according to the reports, the people on the trip did not know they were going to be going down a weir at all. She went successfully down the very narrow fish pass, and everyone else just fell down over the weir. Horrific. I know this part of Wales very well. It's just awful walking along that river and thinking about what happened to them.

Did the people who survived not go over the weir at all ? Or manage to get to safety ? It isn’t clear.
I live fairly close to this, the number of very near misses involving paddle boarders near us is horrifying. This should have been safe as not individuals but a supposedly well run activity and yet she was completely reckless. She must have known about the fish ramp, yet expected everyone to just get down it, with the river so high, the conditions so dangerous, it’s insane. I suppose she had been down that fish ramp before, and knew what she was doing. Everyone else just left behind . It’s so shocking.

Jellyjellyonaplate · 25/04/2025 22:55

The report by the Marine accident investigations bureau is enlightening. It's got lots of photos and describes what happened.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/63906ea0d3bf7f328063e844/2022-13-Paddleboards-Report.pdf

I've done a fair bit of kayaking and weirs are so dangerous. Many of them in certain water levels you just can't get out of the frothed up water in the bottom. And people don't realise they're dangerous.

What a tragic incident.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/63906ea0d3bf7f328063e844/2022-13-Paddleboards-Report.pdf

Murdoch1949 · 25/04/2025 23:59

She was responsible for 4 deaths, including her employee who counselled her against the route. He got out of the river but returned to try to rescue one of the women who later died in hospital. She came across as arrogant, thinking she knew best, and that she was right to let ill prepared clients, a couple without wetsuits one without a life jacket, to undertake a risky route.

Crafty09 · 26/04/2025 00:14

Fossilhunters · 25/04/2025 19:50

Fair enough however he could have stood his ground. I’m not blaming him at all but I do wonder how thing would have turned out if he’d survived. At least there was text message evidence of him saying it wasn’t a good idea.

She was the sole director of the company. My understanding was that he was less experienced than her, and it seems neither was properly qualified?

PassingStranger · 26/04/2025 00:32

If you look.on her FB, she posted a Pic of her and her fellow instructor saying Heartbroken.
All her friends and hangers on were sending their concerns for her and their well wishes.😱

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verityveritas · 26/04/2025 01:17

TheHappyBug · 25/04/2025 20:00

What an awful tragedy. Looking a photos of a weir I would never have guessed they are so dangerous, they look like very small ramps/ledges.

The fish ramp was so narrow, inexperienced people didn’t have a hope in hell of navigating down it.

low head weirs (which is what this one is) tend to be more dangerous than larger weirs. At the bottom of weirs and dams you get something called a hydraulic jump, when you get fast flowing shallow water (going over a weir) meeting deep slower moving water the hydraulic jump is closer to the weir causing two very strong opposing currents, making it almost impossible to get out of, even if you are an incredibly strong swimmer. In kayaking the hydraulic jump is known as the ‘keep’ as it quite literally keeps whatever has gone over the weir.
The bubbling water known as boiling water, has a very high oxygen content, which reduces buoyancy.
Most low head weirs are incredibly dangerous and most are totally redundant these days, the best answer is to get rid of the bloody things, then you don’t need a fish pass (most weirs aren’t good for ecology anyway) and you decrease drowning risk.

I can not fathom how someone who had RNLI training did not understand the very basic physics of velocity and depth or at a very simple level currents. Nor can I understand how she allowed a patron to go on the river without a buoyancy aid (although given the hydraulic jump on that day, it probably wouldn’t have helped very much). Or the lack of wet / dry suits. Even most cold water swimmers have some form of neoprene swimming togs (if not a shortie or full wetsuit). Again, though, wet/ dry suits probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference once a person is stuck in a keep, they get tired very, very quickly, and constantly get battered / pulled under by the sheer volume of fierce water.

she played fast and loose with peoples lives, her arrogance, attempt to pass the buck, and lack of remorse was staggering. She deserves the 10 years.

feel incredibly sorry for the families who have lost their loved ones,

cakeorwine · 26/04/2025 05:20

The investigation is a very interesting report. I listen to Cautionary Tales and it reads like one of those. Going in summer and seeing the weir when it looked ok. People on the course having faith in instructors because you trust people in charge especially when they appear confident. The leader not listening to advice.

I am also very surprised at the clothing and the lack of PFDs people were wearing. They were going out for a long day on paddleboards.

sashh · 26/04/2025 07:45

If you want to watch the judge's remarks they are here

These were not just paying customers they were friends and a next door neighbour.

They had the wrong equipment several had no wet suit and one had no life jacket. They had a leash from their ankles to the paddleboard so once they were over the weir they were basically in a whirlpool attached to large floats.

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LongHoliday01 · 26/04/2025 10:07

So even those wearing a life jacket died?

PassingStranger · 26/04/2025 11:49

What's in place to stop this happening again?

Do you now have to ask someone if they are qualified to take you out, do you have to check they are insured ask them to not to take you down a weir.
What is there to stop this happening again?

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Smallmercies · 26/04/2025 11:58

PassingStranger · 26/04/2025 11:49

What's in place to stop this happening again?

Do you now have to ask someone if they are qualified to take you out, do you have to check they are insured ask them to not to take you down a weir.
What is there to stop this happening again?

There are laws in place, which is why this prosecution has been successful. What do you think might have prevented it in the first place? Can you think of anything? How do you physically stop someone behaving recklessly?

latetothefisting · 26/04/2025 12:01

LongHoliday01 · 26/04/2025 10:07

So even those wearing a life jacket died?

If you read the report @Jellyjellyonaplate linked to a few posts above, it confirmed that the 2 people not wearing life jackets (technically buoyancy aids but similar thing) were the 2 that survived, which surprised me, but is explained in that the buoyancy aids were probably what stopped them from getting pulled under the water and then spat out further downstream, where it was calmer and they could swim to the side/get back on their boards, which is what happened to the people who survived.

Essentially the buoyancy aids (and the fact they were still attached to the paddleboards) were what kept them getting pulled back in the eddies of the weir and unable to get out.

It's scary reading - the other leader and at least one of the deceased were very experienced paddleboarders and physically strong/fit as well, so if they couldn't escape it's very unlikely there was anything anybody could have done once they'd gone over the weir - the report essentially said that, other than the first leader who went over the fish ramp, which was the only semi-safe way to do it, the others only survived via luck (including not wearing their buoyancy aids, which in other circumstances like flat water might have worked the other way round), than because they did anything "right". There was literally nothing the other poor people could have done differently once they'd gone over.

Lansonmaid · 26/04/2025 13:52

PassingStranger · 26/04/2025 11:49

What's in place to stop this happening again?

Do you now have to ask someone if they are qualified to take you out, do you have to check they are insured ask them to not to take you down a weir.
What is there to stop this happening again?

looking at the the report, it appears that training and qualifications for SUP hadn’t kept pace with the sport’s popularity. I sail and I know if I want instruction I can go to a Royal Yachting Association approved school where the instructors have been trained to recognised standards.
I went on a couple of trial SUP events and on both the fitting of equipment (buoyancy aids, dry suit tops, helmets etc plus the safety briefing took at least half an hour and may have been longer. One of the sessions was in an estuary and we wore quick release waist belts in case we fell off and got tangled in moorings by our leashes and dragged under.
The leader of this group gambled with safety, any activity should be planned according to the least experienced member of the group.

MonteStory · 26/04/2025 14:13

faerietales · 25/04/2025 18:36

But to get a conviction for murder, you have to be able to prove intent.

Is there not an argument about ‘you could reasonably have foreseen death’?

Lile you couldn’t push someone onto a motorway or put cyanide in their food and then say ‘I didn’t MEAN to kill him’

Pistorious was ultimately convicted because you can reasonably foresee that if you shoot at someone they might die, even though it was accepted he did not plan to kill. (Yes I know that’s another country and therefore a different system)

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