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AIBU to use this as the reason I left a job after 5 weeks?

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Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:29

I very briefly taught at an FE college. I still had another couple of jobs throughout this, so it's just not on my CV, because leaving it out, doesn't create a gap. However, there are some jobs I might apply for that I can't leave anything out for safeguarding reasons.

There were 3 reasons I left.

  1. The workload was insane. I've spoken to other people who work in FE and they don't have to do anywhere near the same tasks. A lot were small, but there were a lot. They added up. I was spending huge amounts of my spare time (and non-spare time when I should have been doing my other jobs) doing these tasks. The college had me teaching more hours that friends and family do at other colleges. I was hourly paid, so wasn't paid specifically for prep. I seemingly had more planning and prep to do, whilst having less time to do it in, I was going to try and see it out until the end of the term, but reason 2 and 3 meant I left when I did.
  1. What I can only describe as bullying. The reason I was employed there was a colleague, Anna, took another subject, leaving the one I ended up teaching. She acted as an informal subject mentor. She wasn't my manager. She was just someone to go to if I had any issues with content etc. Anna would constantly make little comments and constantly had a tone of voice with me. Some specific examples:
(I) She would ask my students where I was with the content, after she'd asked me, like she didn't believe me. (II) She stayed in the classroom for my first lesson and told me off in front of my students because I went to Google a lesson key concept on my phone before the slide came up (I hadn't figured out the IT properly yet, there wasn't a freeze option, and most importantly, I hadn't had an induction where I was told staff weren't allowed phones - I turned up on my first day and was put into a lesson straight away with no prep). (III) I asked her where a particular document was, and she just said "I showed you where that was last week", and then didn't tell me where it was, so I spent half an hour trying to find it. (IV) She would tell me not to tell my students about my other job (industry experience, which was why I was hired in the first place). (V) She repeatedly said she was 'concerned' that I was too far ahead with the content. It wasn't constructive at all and as an attempt to make it feel less tense — I (very obviously) jokingly said "I can stick [relevant film] on to slow us down, if you like?" She then interrogated me, in front of my line manager, about why I had switched the lights off in the classroom after my lesson, accusing me of putting the film on. (VI) She then accused me, also in front of my line manager, of being "off" with her and a colleague when I had come into the classroom they were having lunch in, where I was about to have a lesson, so I could get set up — I didn't kick them out of anything, they left of their own accord because they had lessons to get to too. My line manager said afterwards to me she through that was inappropriate and that it should have been a conversation with her not in the room. There was more than this, but it just made me feel on edge constantly. She was behaving like she was my manager, when she wasn't.
  1. The contract indicated I would be paid at the end of the month worked. However, I was actually paid a month after that e.g. Start work on 1st March, payroll cut off is 25th March, payday is 30th March... but you don't get paid until 30th April. New starters on zero hour contracts have to go 2 months before their first pay. Staff on regular contracts don't. I didn't know this until 2 or so weeks in when my manager was showing me how to do timesheets. The job I had been doing was term time only and we'd only just come out of the summer holidays, so I'd gone through all my savings. I was going to struggle to pay my mortgage. By the time week 4 rolled around, I wasn't eating properly. I was bringing in breakfast bars I already had in my kitchen cupboard for lunch rather than buy a meal. There would have come a point where I literally didn't have money to put fuel in my car to get to work. HR refused to do anything about it because their system apparently wasn't set up to give me a little bit of pay early to tide me over. If I'd have known about this ahead of time, I could have applied for UC, but because of the waiting time to get it, it was too late by the time I found out. The final straw was when I asked if I could go do an extra day with my other job on a training day (as this would be paid at the end of the following week) and I was told no — I was on a zero hours contract, I was under no contractual obligation to do this training, but was told no. They knew I wasn't eating properly and I wanted to do this extra day (which paid less than I would have for the training day) solely so I could pay for basics.

When I apply for certain jobs, I have to go through every bit of work history, and may have to explain why I left. I suspect, given I was only there for 5 weeks, even if they don't ask in application forms, there's a good chance they'll ask at interview. AIBU to just use reason 3? Is that going to seem more valid than the others? If you have ever recruited, would someone saying they left after 5 weeks because the employer essentially lied (although I definitely put this down to incompetence) about how the employee would be paid meant they couldn't afford to stay? I was really sad about leaving. In theory, it was the dream job I'd been looking for. The students were (mostly) great and I loved teaching, and I do still feel guilty about leaving the students without a teacher. But those 3 issues together meant staying was impossible.

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Namechangetry · 23/04/2025 17:34

No don't say any of that. It sounds like you making excuses, it's too much detail. Say ' there was a payroll issue that meant I wasn't paid for several weeks and at that time I couldn't afford to work on that basis' or something.

toomuchfaff · 23/04/2025 17:35

Not sure which reason is 3 as they are all labelled 1. But guessing it's the last one.

I wouldn't go into any detail whatsoever, as suggested by @Namechangetry

TwoLeggedGrooveMachine · 23/04/2025 17:36

TLDR just say the job wasn’t right for you.

Arlanymor · 23/04/2025 17:37

Namechangetry · 23/04/2025 17:34

No don't say any of that. It sounds like you making excuses, it's too much detail. Say ' there was a payroll issue that meant I wasn't paid for several weeks and at that time I couldn't afford to work on that basis' or something.

Excellent advice, first poster nails it.

Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:37

toomuchfaff · 23/04/2025 17:35

Not sure which reason is 3 as they are all labelled 1. But guessing it's the last one.

I wouldn't go into any detail whatsoever, as suggested by @Namechangetry

Weird - I typed it in my notes and copy and pasted it over.

But yeah - I was thinking some version of 3 for when I do have to declare it, just not sure how to word it exactly. Thankfully I don't have a history of particularly short stints in jobs. The next shortest is 9 months and that ended because of Covid redundancies and I went straight into agency work.

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Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:38

Namechangetry · 23/04/2025 17:34

No don't say any of that. It sounds like you making excuses, it's too much detail. Say ' there was a payroll issue that meant I wasn't paid for several weeks and at that time I couldn't afford to work on that basis' or something.

Thank you - I wasn't entirely sure of the best way of wording it. I'm quite lucky in that I still had other part-time jobs so don't have a CV gap without it, it's just with some applications I will have to include it.

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coxesorangepippin · 23/04/2025 17:40

What name change said

The other stuff sounds trite

DoYouReally · 23/04/2025 17:43

Honestly, I wouldn't hire you if you told me all that.

It's a lot of blame and content and even if it's accurate, I could think to myself I don't want to hire someone who can't be brief and to the point and dwells too much on unnecessary detail.

Say exactly what @Namechangetry suggested. Anything more will not help you in any way. It will only reflect negatively.

Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:44

coxesorangepippin · 23/04/2025 17:40

What name change said

The other stuff sounds trite

I knew it wouldn't be a good idea to use the other two at all. The first one makes it sound like I just couldn't handle a teacher's workload, and the second might be that I was difficult to work with and it's a she said/she said.

I am still really sad about it. I loved the actual teaching. It was the job I had theoretically been waiting for, but it turned into a completely miserable experience. Probably made more miserable by the fact I actually enjoyed an element of it.

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Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:45

DoYouReally · 23/04/2025 17:43

Honestly, I wouldn't hire you if you told me all that.

It's a lot of blame and content and even if it's accurate, I could think to myself I don't want to hire someone who can't be brief and to the point and dwells too much on unnecessary detail.

Say exactly what @Namechangetry suggested. Anything more will not help you in any way. It will only reflect negatively.

Which is why the post was asking if I should use only the third reason....

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HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 17:46

This is for Safer Recruitment. Don’t go into detail as it’s not relative, just say you left to do other work/travel/volunteer/childcare/family care/education/training or what ever you did next. If there were a couple of months between jobs, say you had a break between jobs but stayed in the U.K. (if it’s longer then three months outside of the U.K. you’ll need to detail this)

S0j0urn4r · 23/04/2025 17:48

Career development or to focus on your other roles.

Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:50

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 17:46

This is for Safer Recruitment. Don’t go into detail as it’s not relative, just say you left to do other work/travel/volunteer/childcare/family care/education/training or what ever you did next. If there were a couple of months between jobs, say you had a break between jobs but stayed in the U.K. (if it’s longer then three months outside of the U.K. you’ll need to detail this)

Yes - on the application form I would get away with that, but since I do have to declare it, they might then ask at interview about it in further detail. There wasn't any gap, I went from 4 days agency to 3 days with the college and 1 day agency, then back to 4 days agency immediately. I think what others have said about solely saying there were issues with payroll meaning I didn't get paid for several weeks should do the trick, if I am asked at interview for more details. If it was me interviewing, I'd probably want more details than that, but I am especially nosey.

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TartanMammy · 23/04/2025 17:52

Just say 'temporary postition' you don't need to give any more detail than that.

Btw, every job I've ever had has paid in arrears as you describe, especially if you start close to pay cut off date. I'm sorry to hear it caused you hardship but it's not an unusual situation.

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 17:55

I disagree with stating payroll issue, if they approach your old employer for a reference (which they will likely do for roles needing DBS), they may possibly ask about the payroll issue too. Don’t put too much thought into it. Just say what you moved into next (holiday or break before starting the next job or whatever you did). I have previously done the Safer Recruitment training and recently had to back fill my 2005 CV for Safer Recruitment. Any gaps are issues but equally childcare, holidays etc are all very valid gap fillers. Just be truthful

deste · 23/04/2025 17:55

I worked term time in an FE college, we also had to wait two months at the beginning of every term to be paid. Some terms they forgot to put your pay claim through and you had to wait a third month. It wasnt too much of a problem for me as i had a husband but my colleague was single and had a mortgage. They didnt care.

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 17:57

Put ‘left to do agency work’

Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 17:57

TartanMammy · 23/04/2025 17:52

Just say 'temporary postition' you don't need to give any more detail than that.

Btw, every job I've ever had has paid in arrears as you describe, especially if you start close to pay cut off date. I'm sorry to hear it caused you hardship but it's not an unusual situation.

Would a reference show that not to be true though? Last thing I want is to be caught lying.

Every job I've has had said pays monthly in arrears I would get paid the end of that month e.g. Start 1st March, payroll cut off is 25th, payday is 30th March, which is when I get paid. In this scenario, I would get paid 30th April. I showed the actual contract to someone who was head of HR at different large FE college group just to make sure I wasn't going mad, and she agreed with me on that and the wording should have been different.The wording wasn't actually any different to the permanent contracts. HR just weren't very good and didn't want to even give me a contract until I'd been paid, so had to push for that. We think they just took a permanent contract and slotted the zero hour bits in, without changing what needed to be changed.

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Moonnstars · 23/04/2025 17:59

You don't usually get asked to go into details about this at interview (unless I guess your application raises issues) and application forms usually only have a small box/one line so don't expect a lengthy response. I normally put work life balance (which would cover your first point), or seeking new challenges. It never looks good to bad mouth a former employer (and it's always such a small world you never know who knows who).

Smoggy1 · 23/04/2025 18:00

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 17:57

Put ‘left to do agency work’

The worry I have with this is they'll think I might just do the same to them. There isn't a specific reason.

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HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 18:01

In interview put a positive spin on things - explain that the agency work hours and pay suited you more.

With Safer Recruitment HR will often go through relative past roles for references. It’s part of keeping the vulnerable safe.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/04/2025 18:02

ZHC staff don't get paid at the end of the first month because timesheets usually have to be in around the 5th at the latest in education for them to be included in payroll processed sometime around the 18th. This means that by the end of your first week, you'd pass the cutoff for pay. Not saying that this is right, fair or something that absolutely everybody does, but it is extremely common - and self employed contractors have it even harder, as they are purely dependent upon when finance get around to dealing with them, which will frequently be far longer (despite what they may put on their invoices as terms of payment). Agencies, however, are usually set up for very rapid payment processing and have the resources to pay temps whether or not the client has settled the invoice or not.

A safer response would be that you worked there on a short term ZHC and the agency was able to offer you roles that gave greater experience in <whatever seems to the most important thing to the employer you're interviewing for, going by the job spec and person description>.

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 18:02

Work life balance is equally a good reason I agree

HeyCooper · 23/04/2025 18:03

Don’t put temporary role if it’s not true

HoskinsChoice · 23/04/2025 18:04

I'm HR. I would be a bit suspicious of the payroll issue. My immediate thought is that, I appreciate it made things difficult for you but, by leaving after 5 weeks, you are not earning at all. Surely you're better to be earning, even if it's late? I would push hard on that in my line of questioning to get to the bottom of why you left and it would certainly make me want detailed references. It's a difficult one, it will always raise suspicions if you leave a job less than 2 years in. That said, if you perform well at interview, can find a better reason for leaving and get a decent reference, you will be OK. Good luck!