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To still be angry about 10 years of no child support from deadbeat ex h

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Ambivalence · 23/04/2025 14:04

I've just spent Easter visiting my 10 year old daughters paternal grandparents and ex-husband. I divorced him when I was pregnant after he shoved me on the way back from a scan. He's a feckless alcoholic who hasn't worked since. . He's been a terrible father - inconsistent out of contact from one year to the next when he is too deep in his addiction to bother with our daughter,. His contact with our daughter is entirely funded by his parents who pay his flights hotels a meals for him to visit with them from his EU country. He lives in supported living and at nearly 60 I don't expect him to work again. As he's been sober for six months he thinks that he is now a responsible parent.

I make arrangements for contact via his stepfather and mother who are fantastic, caring and attentive grandparents. We've had visits cancelled at short notice because he's drinking again, Given that his stepfather or me are paying for all hotels flights etc when we do have contact - I don't bother to include my ex-husband in the discussions.

He takes great offence at this and says that he needs to be consulted before we make any arrangements. Given he is not working I don't see why I would consider his schedule, I make arrangements around my daughters school holidays andy work. The grandparents have stated that because they are retired they can be very flexible. My ex-husband has expressed surprise that I am angry with him - he thinks that now he is sober there is no reason to be angry with him. I'm angry with him because he has been such a terrible father to our daughter who wishes she had an involved and consistent father like her friends she says that even her friends whose parents are divorced see their father more than twice a year. If it wasn't for the grandparents paying we wouldn't even see him twice a year. I can't stand the man- he's selfish , has an excuse for why everything in life is not his fault including the breakup of our marriage. Mostly I don't give him a second thought- he lives in another country, I rarely hear from him and I only have to see him twice a year ( he can’t be trusted alone with our daughter). Given his behaviour over the years I consider that he's very lucky that I allow him contact with our daughter - which I allow for her benefit not his as I feel it is important for her to know her origins and their culture. I mostly don't feel white hot rage anymore but his comment that we need to plan our next meet up (which will be a holiday which I will pay for myself and my daughter and the grandparents will pay for themselves and him) around his commitments with his friends has really made me angry. He doesn't engage in paid work voluntary work or any other sensible commitments he wants to plan this holiday around his social life (he doesn't have a new partner - unsurprisingly!), and I take the view that he needs to fit in around my work which is paying for everything related to our daughter, and given the grandparents will be paying for everything I will be discussing flights and accommodation with them to suit our budgets. He had the cheek to say to me that he needs to be included in the planning said that we can consider his schedule - if it was medical appointments or rehab he was referring to I wouldn't have an issue but after 10 years I am not going to plan my time off work around his social life - apparently that's unreasonable of me!

I feel like the next time this is raised saying to him that when he contributes like an adult then he will be consulted like one - my 10 year old DD isn't consulted about holiday budgets or flights because she's not contributing!

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GoldDuster · 23/04/2025 14:07

I feel like the next time this is raised saying to him that when he contributes like an adult then he will be consulted like one

Sounds reasonable to me. Don't waste your energy being angry with him, ten years is a long time to have got the measure of him and dropped your expectations to zero. He's the one that is losing out. Save your energy.

ChaToilLeam · 23/04/2025 14:10

I think you WNBU to tell him exactly what you have told us, but it won't change this selfish and useless man.

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:14

Why are you in any contact with him? You don't need to listen to his whining.

The trip is for your child to see the grandparents, let them arrange contact with their scummy son. If it doesn't suit his busy schedule, oh well.
The money you spend on travelling to the man's country could be put towards your child's future university costs or savings.
You could tell the man that your child is available for him to visit on XYZ dates in 2025, he can arrange transport and accommodation. If not, don't feel obliged to bring your child to his country. Tell him you aren't able to bring her, but he's free to visit her in her own country.

Ambivalence · 23/04/2025 14:17

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:14

Why are you in any contact with him? You don't need to listen to his whining.

The trip is for your child to see the grandparents, let them arrange contact with their scummy son. If it doesn't suit his busy schedule, oh well.
The money you spend on travelling to the man's country could be put towards your child's future university costs or savings.
You could tell the man that your child is available for him to visit on XYZ dates in 2025, he can arrange transport and accommodation. If not, don't feel obliged to bring your child to his country. Tell him you aren't able to bring her, but he's free to visit her in her own country.

Edited

Thank you! I'm not in any contact with him except for being in the same room during contact as he's too much of an idiot to supervise a 10 year old - thankfully I get on well with the grnadparents

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sesquipedalian · 23/04/2025 14:20

OP, just ignore him. He can take as much offence as he likes, but if you’ve arranged things with your DD’s grandparents, and you and they are happy, that’s enough. The thing about not contributing is that you lose any choice in the matter. His choice is that he can either go along with what you and the DGPs have arranged, or miss out on seeing his daughter. End of.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/04/2025 14:27

He sounds utterly infuriating. He has been sober for six months and he now thinks that he has the moral high ground and can give you orders and scold you? Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Tell him that you will arrange meet ups at the convenience of the people who are organising and paying for these and who have other real commitments such as earning a living, not just pissing about with their mates.

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:33

Your daughter's wants can be taken into account, does she want to see a drunken 60 year old man?

Ambivalence · 23/04/2025 14:34

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:14

Why are you in any contact with him? You don't need to listen to his whining.

The trip is for your child to see the grandparents, let them arrange contact with their scummy son. If it doesn't suit his busy schedule, oh well.
The money you spend on travelling to the man's country could be put towards your child's future university costs or savings.
You could tell the man that your child is available for him to visit on XYZ dates in 2025, he can arrange transport and accommodation. If not, don't feel obliged to bring your child to his country. Tell him you aren't able to bring her, but he's free to visit her in her own country.

Edited

Yes - exactly, the travel to their country is for the 86 year old grandma's benefit - not his. Once she passes - hopefully a long time in the future - as she's a fab granny - we won't travel there (granddad is a lot younger and fitter so can travel)

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Ambivalence · 23/04/2025 14:38

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:33

Your daughter's wants can be taken into account, does she want to see a drunken 60 year old man?

He isn't allowed to see her unless he's sober. She enjoys spending time with the grandparents. I never say anything negative about him not working etc but she's started to get the measure of him - she says he doesn't make an effort with her so she can't pretend he's a brilliant dad (we were buying granny and grandpa fridge magnets and she said all the dad ones say "best dad" but her dad isn't a very good Dad)

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Ambivalence · 23/04/2025 14:58

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 23/04/2025 14:33

Your daughter's wants can be taken into account, does she want to see a drunken 60 year old man?

Thank you - I do consult her on other things, including holiday destinations- / activities but not budgets as she’s not contributing

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