Dig licking plates before going into dishwasher - ick or not

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Have have hosted a lovely Easter BH Monday for all 7 GC, 3 step children, partners & children. We had an Easter egg hunt in garden, had breakfast in local farm shop & walked my lovely little dog around, petted animals etc.

For context I need to say that DSS & DIL are both British, but live in USA.

After a roast dinner I put the plates & general pots & pans down for the dog to lick. My DIL lost the plot saying that was so unhygienic I assured her that they would be going into the dishwasher on a high temperature - about 90c so would be sterilised. I always let the dog pre-wash my plates as consider it's going into the dishwasher at high temp to be sterilised so no problem.

DIL saying she will never let her children eat at my house again & gone-taken her DH & DC off in an huff.

DH has had a text from his son apologising but saying what can he do as has to support his wife. I totally get that. But....

My question is - is it OK to let dog lick out the plates etc when they are going into dishwasher at a high temp? WWUD?

Ha this is funny as our dog loves to lick plates clean in the dishwasher before it goes on. I am not remotely bothered as they’re about to be washed but my OH hates it and shoos the dog away. I guess our family sums up the division here.

Just make sure dog licks it really clean, then you can just put it straight back into cupboard. Job done ✅

This is really gross. I wouldn't want to eat at your house if I knew a dog had licked my plate - even if it had gone in the dishwasher beforehand.. grim

Can't see anything wrong with it. Dishwashers are designed to sterilise.

How sad 😢. You never accept invites to eat at friends/families homes?
Out of interest, what are the other reasons?

Did all the ick, gross, disgusting, etc., posters miss this ?

'Ironically enough she was encouraging my dog to 'kiss' her children on the face which I said she had been trained not to do as we all know how she cleans her 'Bits'.'

Yeah that’s disgusting too. I don’t want the dogs tongue or anything it’s touched touching me.

I thought this was awful until we got a dog. Now, he carries on licking plates after they're stacked in the dishwasher. I rationalise that a plate with blood from a joint of meat is also ick but that comes out of the dishwasher clean. You'll have to buy DIL a dog. Then she'll see sense.

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/parenting/article/marina-fogle-dogs-microbiome-2vnszkclx

Article published 6 days ago

a second disgusting thing doesn't automatically stop the first thing from also being disgusting... 🙄

most people saying it was gross were commenting on the idea of any dog licking any dishes, not just OP's specific dog, her specific dishes and the potential germ-related hypocrisy of her specific dil

@KnickerFolder I am fairly sure the primary mode of transmission from dogs to humans is bites or contact of dog saliva with broken skin…

"Primary," meaning other modes of transmission are possible, and certainly there are a number of cases of transmission where no broken skin was involved.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/18/health/dog-saliva-infection-capnocytophaga/index.html

www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/german-man-dies-after-being-licked-his-dog-n1091676

There has never been a case of a human becoming infected after eating from a plate that has been washed after a dog licked it

Not that you know of. Why take the chance?

Even if it doesn't result in infection, it's still disgusting.

Wow I can’t believe how many think this is grim. They’re cleaned through a dishwasher so bacteria will be gone.
I don’t personally put plates down and would scrape into a bowl and wait until a little after dinner if they did have scraps (more not to encourage expecting it all the time - young dog so still learning manners) however it is near impossible to stop the dog licking the plates as they get loaded unless I was to put them outside every time I opened the dishwasher… and im not overly fussed if they do lick them - because the dishwasher cleans them. The dog is regularly wormed, flea treated and is vaccinated.
OP has nothing to feel awkward about

Well I said YANBU because I also do it but wouldn’t in someone else’s home. A non dog lover is never going to get it. Dogs need to be up to date with worming.

Sure I read somewhere a human bite is worse than a dog bite (bacteria)?

Well again, please inform any guests of your poor hygiene standards and give them the choice if they want to eat from plates that animals have licked.

Or, just train your pets? A clear 'sit' or 'wait' works well ime.

Euugghh…that’s revolting…. I wouldn’t want to eat there. 🤢

We have a rescue greyhound who loves nothing more than to stick her snout in the dishwasher and prewash our pots. She could be in the deepest sleep ever upstairs and would still hear the dishwasher door go. We don’t allow our dogs to lick plates and cups off the floor but our grey will give things a good once over when in the dishwasher. If we have food going or the end of a brew we put in in their bowls which also go in the dishwasher on a high temp.

Yeah, maybe it is sad to some but I just can’t. I’ll preface this with saying that I will admit, I do have “obsessively” high levels of hygiene standards but I would be more comfortable if a lot of people just had some, even basic, hygiene standards. But to name a few, I’ve witnessed on many occasions (IRL & online) that people are far too comfortable with using the loo and not washing their hands afterwards, seeing dirty fingernails, cats feeding bowls on the kitchen counters with the cats having free reign of the entire kitchen sides, - with those things in mind & the thought of them then dealing with & handling food, is just too much. I physically can’t do it.

Do you eat frozen fruit and vegetables, @shuggles? Because some studies suggest that up to a quarter of frozen fruit and veg are contaminated with Listeria or E. coli. I would assume not because, as you say, why take the risk?

Infection from Capnocytophaga caninorsus in humans.is very rare, especially in immunocompetent individuals. The most common mode of transmission of is from bites, the second is from animal scratches. The likely mode of transmission in the cases you have linked to is via mucous membranes from licks to the face, not plates that have been through the dishwasher. Have a search on PubMed if you don’t believe me.

Stroking dogs or letting them lick you is much more “disgusting” (well, higher risk)…

At risk of sounding like I'm taking this all too seriously too, there are very few zoonoses that humans can get from rabbits, and only a couple of those are via the faecal-oral route, so you’re probably all right 😂
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That’s disgusting 🤮

Hmm. Dog lover here and whilst this wouldn’t bother me I can see how this would put people off.
We had a black lab when I was young who used to hang out near the dishwasher for prewash duties….so this post made me smile.

Do folk not understand "dishwasher" here? Our cats eat of our plates regularly (rarely our choice, the little shites are fast!), I'm sure dogs are just as sneaky. If soap and water can wash dog slobber off your hands, it definitely can off your plate.

I mean I don’t do it, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it either. Dishwashers are made to clean the dishes.

I wouldn't let a dog lick plates & would be a bit wary eating at someones home if I knew they did. I understand they are going in the dishwasher after but it still just seems not great to me

that's disgusting.