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Can I take this NIGHTMARE landlord to court?

184 replies

DisgracefulBehaviour · 20/04/2025 22:31

We sold our house last year to release funds as we inherited a house in a different area that we wanted to live in ourselves due to position, large plot etc, as our forever home but the house itself needed fully gutting and we also wanted to add on a self contained annex for our disabled adult son which we needed planning permission for. Our youngest son was also due to start GCSEs so we decided to rent while we completed work on inherited house and he finished school when we will then move up there.

We found a rented property literally a few streets from our old house and stressed that we needed to rent for two years, landlord wanted long term renters so no problem.

Within a short time after moving in it became apparent there was a major issue in the house, house was tenanted previously but letting agents apparently were not aware. After months of toing and froing, landlord had to get builders in and complete costly work which took 8 weeks. We’d been in the property 3 months.

Landlord not happy as said he could not afford to do the work.

We’d requested compensation for the inconvenience as having builders in was a major disruption and we had issues with them leaving mess in the house. I was very upset that we had to leave people we did not know in the property while we were all out.

Landlord said compensation was not justified! Decided not to pursue it as we didn’t want to antagonise the landlord and get kicked out.

A month ago, I contacted environmental health due to a further issue the landlord has refused to deal with. The officer also noticed a major issue that needed immediate rectification so landlord had to do more work.

We have now been served with a Section 21 - no reason given - after 6 months.

I am absolutely furious I have to say. Rent paid on time, house immaculate etc.

We put up with all the work being done as we expected when it was done, we’d be left to it and obviously didn’t want to move again in such a short time considering our timescale. We’d never taken the property if we had known this would happen. It’s a high rent for our area too!

We also never had a copy of the EICR, a serious safety hazard pertaining to that was what was picked up by environmental health, so we are assuming a report was never done.

I have an online court claim prepared to sue the landlord for all 6 months rent in compensation, for stress and breach of quiet enjoyment. I think I have a chance of success.

AIBU?

OP posts:
DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:07

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/04/2025 09:45

’. DS came down one morning with one on his school shirt which was hanging washed and ironed in his wardrobe, cue mass panic and having to rip it off while I was desperately trying to catch the speedy slithering thing. That was the last straw!’

A silverfish is about half an inch long at most, they are not slimy, in fact I think they are rather sweet. If your son is upset by a small legless insect to that extent, I think you have more problems than a dodgy landlord.

’Mass panic’ ! Blimey….

Edited

They are classed as a pest. Plenty of people would be upset and bothered by an infestation in their home, let alone one in clothes they were actually wearing.

Just because you may have extremely low standards, doesn’t mean everyone else has.

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HellsBalls · 22/04/2025 10:14

I’d stay in the property. Only engage with the agents. Let the section 21 get thrown out of court. Let the LL waste his time and effort. If they are successful with a section 8, don’t leave until you are ready or the bailiffs get involved. The whole process will take until your house is most likely ready. Annoy them more by paying reduced rent, but do pay rent.

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:25

Viviennemary · 22/04/2025 09:30

It's hard to give an opinion when nobody uon the thread knows what the state of the house was and how necessary the improvements were. Was the house habitable or not. I think you could claim for the rent while the builders were there if there was a lot of disruption to your daily living.

We didn’t request any improvements, the multiple different contractors sent to deal with water pouring through the ceiling were clear that both bathrooms needed ripping out and replacing, and the dining room ceiling needed completely replastering as a large area was sagging and there was a big hole in it due to water pouring through.

The landlord knew that the bathrooms needed to be replaced from the previous tenancy, but refused to do the work. just patching it up. Letting agent told us that they got quotes but they refused to proceed. I have this in an email.

We did not know this before we moved in.

Landlord told us that they finally did the work as they want to sell the property, therefore forcing us to put up with the disruption and stress of the work while paying full rent only to be kicked out when it was done.

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 22/04/2025 10:32

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:03

No you said it first. In response to me stating your claim was incorrect.

Now claiming you didn’t.

As I said, bonkers AND childish/immature.

She’s agreeing she LOL’d first. She said she did it because you responded rudely to her post.

This is one of these threads where I wonder again why an OP clearly convinced they are as right as right can be has bothered to post on a message board called Am I Being Unreasonable?

The vote is clearly split and even many people who voted YABU (myself included) are sympathetic to your situation and think you’ve had a bad experience but also thinking going after the landlord for compo may be time-consuming, stressful and ultimately fruitless.

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:45

Butchyrestingface · 22/04/2025 10:32

She’s agreeing she LOL’d first. She said she did it because you responded rudely to her post.

This is one of these threads where I wonder again why an OP clearly convinced they are as right as right can be has bothered to post on a message board called Am I Being Unreasonable?

The vote is clearly split and even many people who voted YABU (myself included) are sympathetic to your situation and think you’ve had a bad experience but also thinking going after the landlord for compo may be time-consuming, stressful and ultimately fruitless.

How was I rude? I told her she was wrong. Is that rude nowadays? Are we to agree with clearly incorrect statements so as not to appear rude?

She then tried to make out I was rude first to explain her very immature and rude LOL.

This thread just gets even more bonkers.

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 22/04/2025 10:51

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:45

How was I rude? I told her she was wrong. Is that rude nowadays? Are we to agree with clearly incorrect statements so as not to appear rude?

She then tried to make out I was rude first to explain her very immature and rude LOL.

This thread just gets even more bonkers.

You’re really not reading the posts. I said SHE said she LOL’d because you responded rudely to her posts.

I didn’t say I thought you responded rudely to her posts. I was clarifying the PP’s post. Nothing more.

I definitely think you were rude in your response to me in claiming the thread is getting even more “bonkers” when I was simply clarifying a PP’s post. She felt you were rude to her, hence the LOL.

NeverHadHaveHas · 22/04/2025 15:51

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:45

How was I rude? I told her she was wrong. Is that rude nowadays? Are we to agree with clearly incorrect statements so as not to appear rude?

She then tried to make out I was rude first to explain her very immature and rude LOL.

This thread just gets even more bonkers.

I’m not sure why you’re even still posting on a thread you find bikers when you’re so convinced that you have a claim despite advice to the contrary.
Why waste time here? Crack on, file your claim and update us all with how you get on 👍

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 20:26

I guess I’m interested why so many posters think I’m BU to claim compensation from a nightmare landlord whether I make the claim or not.

Absolutely shocking to see the poll results as well. No wonder tenants are treated so badly in the UK.

I can’t imagine any other scenario where a legally binding business agreement is breached by one party and there are no consequences.

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PsychoHotSauce · 22/04/2025 20:35

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 20:26

I guess I’m interested why so many posters think I’m BU to claim compensation from a nightmare landlord whether I make the claim or not.

Absolutely shocking to see the poll results as well. No wonder tenants are treated so badly in the UK.

I can’t imagine any other scenario where a legally binding business agreement is breached by one party and there are no consequences.

You don't get 'compensation' for a business breach of contract either you know. You can only claim for loss or damages. You're asking to have lived rent free for 6 months, at the landlord's expense as 'punishment' for being a shit landlord. In law, that's called unjust enrichment. No judge will grant you that.

Robotcustard · 22/04/2025 20:37

Would this come under a revenge eviction? I know the work has been done, but it seems that’s why they’re evicting you. I would get some advice from Shelter.

User46576 · 22/04/2025 20:59

Robotcustard · 22/04/2025 20:37

Would this come under a revenge eviction? I know the work has been done, but it seems that’s why they’re evicting you. I would get some advice from Shelter.

It’s hard to tell from ops rantings but it seems that they’re doing some of the work because it needed done (water pouring through ceiling etc) and the rest was because they needed to sell.

Hoppinggreen · 22/04/2025 21:02

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 10:07

They are classed as a pest. Plenty of people would be upset and bothered by an infestation in their home, let alone one in clothes they were actually wearing.

Just because you may have extremely low standards, doesn’t mean everyone else has.

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Rude

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 21:11

PsychoHotSauce · 22/04/2025 20:35

You don't get 'compensation' for a business breach of contract either you know. You can only claim for loss or damages. You're asking to have lived rent free for 6 months, at the landlord's expense as 'punishment' for being a shit landlord. In law, that's called unjust enrichment. No judge will grant you that.

Yes it is unjust enrichment but on the landlord not on the tenant!

What ‘punishment’ do you think the landlord should get?

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DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 21:16

User46576 · 22/04/2025 20:59

It’s hard to tell from ops rantings but it seems that they’re doing some of the work because it needed done (water pouring through ceiling etc) and the rest was because they needed to sell.

All of it needed to be done but the landlord told us he only did it do they could sell. Would have left it otherwise.

It was not cosmetic or an improvement unless you count not being able to use a shower because water poured through the ceiling with being able to use a shower without water pouring through the ceiling.

OP posts:
DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 21:18

User46576 · 22/04/2025 20:59

It’s hard to tell from ops rantings but it seems that they’re doing some of the work because it needed done (water pouring through ceiling etc) and the rest was because they needed to sell.

Please elaborate on my ‘ranting’. What an odd and extremely rude thing to say. Do you term anyone posting about anything as ‘ranting’?

I thought I explained myself and clarified things reasonably well.

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DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 21:33

Hoppinggreen · 22/04/2025 21:02

Rude

This was the post I was responding to:

A silverfish is about half an inch long at most, they are not slimy, in fact I think they are rather sweet. If your son is upset by a small legless insect to that extent, I think you have more problems than a dodgy landlord.
’Mass panic’ ! Blimey….

How is it rude to respond that not being bothered by a pest infestation of slithering insects, including in your clean clothes, beds etc is pretty low standards?

Most people would be, wouldn’t they? In RL I mean, not in the MN land of keyboard warriors with not much else to do but post stupid comments.

We’re not talking about a ‘cute’ solitary silverfish we nicknamed Kevin hanging out in the bathroom sink but a whole horde of them.

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PsychoHotSauce · 22/04/2025 21:38

DisgracefulBehaviour · 22/04/2025 21:11

Yes it is unjust enrichment but on the landlord not on the tenant!

What ‘punishment’ do you think the landlord should get?

I know it's shit (the law in general often is), but it doesn't set out to 'punish' i.e. compensate over and above your actual losses to prove a point to the other side. That's just the way it is. You seem to think you'll get free money for your outrage and that just won't happen.

And you can add unjust enrichment to your own claim if you want <shrug> but you'll have to prove it. As you said, it's a business arrangement. He's entitled to make a profit.

Heronwatcher · 22/04/2025 21:51

I’m sorry if I have missed this but-—

  • what is your cause of action (breach of contract? Negligence? Fraud?)
  • breach of lease terms could be a breach of contract but it does sound like the landlord has now done quite a bit of work. The landlord might also claim that they were let down by trades etc and it wasn’t their fault
  • have you researched case law etc on what evidence you need to establish your cause of action. For example there might be case law on how long is reasonable for a landlord to look for a tradesman etc.
  • how have you calculated your damages- it would normally be only what the “breach” caused and you do seem to have lived in the house for lengthy periods
  • have you checked that the person you intend to sue has any money? If it’s a company for example they might just go into insolvency, wealthy individuals might keep money offshore. Is the house you rented owned by the party you intend to sue? Otherwise you might end up with a judgment in your favour but which is completely unenforceable.

I have no doubt that the landlord was shit but if you go into this half prepared you might end up worse off than before.

Missanimosity · 22/04/2025 22:14

Sorry OP but you are rude and overdefensove with people who give you helpful advice. Your sarcastic comments don't help. Instead of getting help you're getting arguments becsuse you fight with everyone who have different opinion from yours. You also dripfed massively from initial post saying about the environmental agency to water pouring through ceiling to water pouring on PS to you being disrupted working from home and to not having accessvto toilet and to half of the house. Few more posts you will say you had to swim. Is like the deeper we go in the details the more you try to convince us (or yourself) that you deserve your compensation and throw arguments and situations in. Because of that I find it hard to believe you. If you hadbwater pouring through and unable to use toilet surely you would move yourselves out and let the landlord know that the house is inhabitable. They would have had to refund you then. This is the normal thing to do, not staying put than sueing for emotional distress. Is like you are looking for quick money. Just my honest opinion.
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DisgracefulBehaviour · 23/04/2025 01:24

Missanimosity · 22/04/2025 22:14

Sorry OP but you are rude and overdefensove with people who give you helpful advice. Your sarcastic comments don't help. Instead of getting help you're getting arguments becsuse you fight with everyone who have different opinion from yours. You also dripfed massively from initial post saying about the environmental agency to water pouring through ceiling to water pouring on PS to you being disrupted working from home and to not having accessvto toilet and to half of the house. Few more posts you will say you had to swim. Is like the deeper we go in the details the more you try to convince us (or yourself) that you deserve your compensation and throw arguments and situations in. Because of that I find it hard to believe you. If you hadbwater pouring through and unable to use toilet surely you would move yourselves out and let the landlord know that the house is inhabitable. They would have had to refund you then. This is the normal thing to do, not staying put than sueing for emotional distress. Is like you are looking for quick money. Just my honest opinion.
Edited for typos

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Move ourselves out to where?

We asked to be reimbursed for a hotel when were were told we could not use both the bath in the bathroom and shower in the en-suite to wash in but were told as it was only going to be for 48 hours, the landlord didn’t have to. That then turned into a week. Same with the boiler being damaged, it would be fixed in 24 hours so the landlord didn’t have to supply alternate heating appliances, but the landlord insisted his bodgejob contractor repair it himself so he didn’t have to pay for it, which he couldn’t, so it was 6 days.

Yes it was like a paddling pool, if you can imagine continuous buckets of water pouring through the ceiling which was all the water draining from a bath. This was around 10 days after we’d moved in and I’d decided to have a bath to relax after all the moving and unpacking. Someone was downstairs, luckily, and heard the ceiling crack and water pouring from the next room so was able to shout and we all came down and grabbed buckets and loads of towels. I say luckily as there was a PC, laptop and monitors with electrical leads directly underneath and he was able to push the desk away and thankfully the laptop was closed!

The letting agent was strangely unbothered and said if there was water damage, we would have to claim off our own insurance, no matter that our premium would go up and we’d have excess to pay. They sent someone out 3 days later to fix the bath,

The second time the bath was used, after we were told it had fixed and had waited for the sealant to dry, the exact same thing happened but thankfully we’d moved the desk!

At the same time, because we’d all been using the en-suite shower, water was dripping through the light fitting down into the same room, as the bathroom and en-suite are next to each other.

When the (different) plumber came for that, we were told it could not be used as the shower was so old, the water was pouring through the corners into the floor space, and it needed to be completely ripped out.

When it was ripped out months later, the walls under the wall tiles were mush and thick with black mould and skirting boards were wet and sodden but this was also coming from the shower over the bath in the bathroom next door which was leaking through the wall tiles. The only reason it isn’t still leaking now is that we put another shower curtain inside the bath so we’re in between two shower curtains (which is annoying as they blow on you from the shower pressure) and the wall doesn’t get wet. Landlord said initially they’d retile but then said they wouldn’t and gave notice!

It’s unbelievable but true.

Pest controller found a massive silverfish infestation in between the bath and en-suite walls
from long before we moved in. Landlord kept saying when the damp was gone, they’d go but the wall needs ripping out.

I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.

What was worse was that the landlord kept delaying work on the en-suite, telling us a plumber was going to start but then saying they taken other jobs so couldn’t start. DH was booked for a major operation and we planned it that the work would be finished as we were initially told, then they turned up 2 days after he came out of hospital so he couldn’t rest in bed as en-suite is in our room and had to recuperate on the sofa with contractors in and out and noisy building work going on - ripping out the whole en-suite and cutting tiles. 8 weeks of will they turn up today as they’d say they were coming and then text that they couldn’t.

We let them get on with and didn’t complain, hoping when it was done, we’d be left in peace only to get an eviction notice just over a month later!

Too right I’m furious!

We have found another property, which we were accepted for today, more expensive as it’s the only one in the area, but we’re having to pack up again, pay for another removal van, and then most likely fight for our nearly £3k deposit back, after only 7 months and yes we were assured that it was a long term let but they put a 6 month break clause in the contract. I’m going to have to inspect everything to make sure the silverfish don’t come with us as well,

TBH I can’t believe the responses I’ve got and it just shows that if people don’t think this was a despicable way to treat tenants who did absolutely nothing wrong, then I can only say that MN must be full of landlords who behave this way themselves.

I have read up on all the legislation, not much in the way of case law, but hopefully I can make some for other poor tenants experiencing similar!

OP posts:
S0upertrooper · 23/04/2025 02:21

I don't think a landlord can issue a section 21 if the didn't provide a EICR (or any other legally required certificates) However I don't think you'll be granted the value of 6 months rent. It's a ball ache to move but the court costs and stress of fighting the LL might be more hassle than they're worth.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 23/04/2025 02:27

Count your lucky stars this is temporary in your life.
The LL has the power in this situation.
So many tenants are in awful properties, if they complained about anything, they're out.

DrPrunesqualer · 23/04/2025 03:06

S0upertrooper · 23/04/2025 02:21

I don't think a landlord can issue a section 21 if the didn't provide a EICR (or any other legally required certificates) However I don't think you'll be granted the value of 6 months rent. It's a ball ache to move but the court costs and stress of fighting the LL might be more hassle than they're worth.

As long as the LL gets the certs to the tenant and issues the s21 after, the courts will accept it.
They can’t never allow a LL to not get their property back

AncientAndModern1 · 23/04/2025 03:50

Mad thread. Obviously the landlord is a horror and the OP has been treated appallingly. Who would put up with the entire contents of a bath pouring through the ceiling below every time they had a bath? Or the shower leaking into electrics. The silverfish infestation sounds disgusting, especially in your beds. If it wasn’t for the infestation I’d simply refuse to be evicted using the gas cert exemption, but I couldn’t live in a damp, unsafe, infested house. Talk to CAB about your plans to sue (in small claims?) to check you have a case.

AncientAndModern1 · 23/04/2025 03:52

DrPrunesqualer · 23/04/2025 03:06

As long as the LL gets the certs to the tenant and issues the s21 after, the courts will accept it.
They can’t never allow a LL to not get their property back

Section 21 isn’t the only way to get a property back. Section 21 evictions will be abolished entirely soon so not unthinkable.