Single sex toilets in leisure centres

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My local authority leisure centre allows TW to use single sex female toilets and changing rooms

I queried this, following recent Supreme Court judgement

They said they follow guidance from UK Active, found here https://www.ukactive.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Transgender-Guidance-22-11-2022.pdf

I have contacted UK Active, urging them to update their guidance

I encourage you to do the same

Studies from 2018 are likely to have only had 3 years of data. We know the transwomen community has a very high number of sexual offenders and ex criminals in their number, so research done in the last 15 years will show otherwise.

36%? There is not one recorded incident of a transwoman being harmed in a men's single sex space in the UK. None. Ever. And since 'hate crimes' against transpeople have been recorded which include things like having to see a sticker that has words you don't like on, or someone tweeting something you don't agree with, I'm pretty confident that if any such incident had happened, we'd have heard about it. Women and girls however, have been sexually assaulted by transwomen in women's single sex spaces. Karen White and Katie Dolatowski are two such transwomen criminals, but they're not the only ones.

Individual cubicles, or single sex shared changing rooms which are actually single sex are the only lawful options now. Can't control which businesses choose to offer (other than voting with your feet) but they can't offer women's changing rooms with men allowed in any more.

That 'study' has been found to be loaded and false.

There are ZERO cases of any transwoman ever being assaulted in a male space. If there were, they'd rub it in our faces and never, ever let us forget it.

Also, transwomen themselves have admitted they are safe in the males and the worst they get is a smirk, apparently. Interestingly gay males have never said they felt 'unsafe' there, AND, women when faced with long queues at the ladies will sometimes use the males, and they are safe. So, it puts paid to the LIE that a male (transwoman) is unsafe in the males.

There are at least 20 that I know of, cases where transwomen have assaulted females in the female space. There are reports at schools of girls holding it in all day, even on their period as their toilets are unisex/male inclusive. At work, women avoid drinking fluids to avoid the unisex/male inclusive toilets, leading to Urinary Tract Infections. It's a situation that will see the deaths of women and girls if this isn't stopped. This is why the SC decision is so important. It will literally save women and girls lives.

You also forget that it is not just about safety, but privacy and dignity away from the male gaze. It's about a place flee a male chasing you, to miscarry (as women have miscarried in public toilets before, some admittedly so on this forum) and having females around to help you, to escape to cry (often about men), to rinse/dry bloodstained underwear out, puked on/breast leaking blouses, mooncups, to get changed and/or adjust yourself out in the open near the sink. It is about so much more than fearing a male will get in and rape you.

The end of the month? Wednesday?

"In contrast, 36% of transgender women using male bathrooms have been assaulted,"

I'm sorry but I really do not believe this at all.
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"In a global study of all reported incidents involving biological men on biological women in female bathrooms, only one of the perpetrators identified as transgender"

And this is absolute rubbish. Although perhaps this is the one incident that you are talking about

From 2019 in Fife Scotland:

"A transgender woman threatened to stab a 10-year-old girl’s mother during a terrifying sexual assault in the female toilets of a Morrison’s supermarket.

Katie Dolatowski, 18, admitted grabbing the youngster by her face and forcing her into the cubicle before demanding she take her trousers off at the store in Fife, Scotland, on 4 March.

She carried out a similar attack just weeks earlier, on 8 February, when another young girl using the toilet at an Asda store in Halbeath spotted Dolatowski using a mobile phone to spy on her over the partition wall."

But no it can't be. As that isn't the only one. There are a whole load from the USA:

The exact same thing from Wyoming:

"A transgender woman in Wyoming has been convicted of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl inside the bathroom of a local home — and now faces up to 70 years in prison."

Then there is the infamous Loudoun school rape in Virginia.

Or how about the case of a trans student in Oklahoma beating up girls in the girl's changing rooms.

Or the same thing in California:

"Huge Transgender Student Allegedly Pummels Schoolgirls After Being Confronted for Entering Female Locker Room: Report"

Or the case in Wisconsin of:

"Trans student exposed girls to male genitalia in school locker room"

And there are very many more indeed.

Just one case? Really?

That is the end of the month.

Interesting case in Scotland where parents complained that the new school built for their kids only had unisex loos. They duly produced the relevant legislation which states that 50% of loos in Scottish schools are built for boys, and 50% of the loos should be for girls and these must be housed in separate facilities. 20% of Scottish schools don’t comply with this and councils are facing large bills to rectify the situation.

you’d have thought if you were building a school and there were rules to adhere to, they’d be looked at.

The Massachusetts study didn't show a significant difference but did it show any difference?

Because any indication of risk is unsafe and unacceptable. It just wasn't a risk 30 years ago. It's not "only" a few incidents. These are all real people. A third space would protect transpeople who aren't comfortable using their sex-based space. It might not reaffirm their belief in their gender or be a preferred option but it is a safe option for everyone.

It is silly to try implementing an inclusive policy for showers on the basis of hygiene reasoning if such a policy will result in more people forgoing them, rather than the 1% who aren't comfortable showering at home or, again, in a third space.

If I understand the posters who have explained the legislation then as long as organisations provide appropriate unisex toilets and changing rooms they are not in breach of anything. My office has appropriate unisex toilets and while I don't really like them (I find them claustrophobic)I think technically they are complying with the law. I think my swimming pool too complies. I am more relaxed in the pool setting as there is usually a member of staff roaming about. I would prefer single sex but I think it is compliant with legislation.

So I think what may well happen going forward is we will have more unisex provisions. The key them is to ensure they meet requirements and raise concerns if they don't.

I felt more sorry for them when they had no power to eject Willy wavers in the ladies.