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To not go on the holiday?

62 replies

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 10:35

In a nutshell, I'm with an avoidant partner. I'm an anxious person and I do recognise that my traits aren't great, but honestly the avoidance is probably the main cause of my anxious behaviour.

Any time I try to bring anything up it's 'not the right time' to talk. There has never been a right time. It's been ongoing for 2 years now.

We are meant to be going away on Tuesday for a week. We have been niggling at each other a bit recently so I wanted to just clear the air before we go. To say new leaf, let's enjoy ourselves etc etc.

Even when I walk on egg shells in order to approach the conversation with tact and caution, he sees it as an attack. I said nothing about HIM or pointing any fingers, I was clear that we both probably need to do better with each other.

It turns in to him shouting at me, storming out the room to sleep on the sofa.
I said please can you come back to bed, let's just have a cuddle and be okay.
He tells me to leave him alone, he needs space. Out the duvet over his face and just shuts off, doesn't respond to me.
I know I should have left it but because of my anxiousness this is really upsetting to me so I asked how long he'd need space for as I wouldn't be able to sleep now.
He tells me to just fucking listen, go away and leave him alone.

I know avoidants process things differently and need time and space. But I cannot fathom seeing your partner crying asking you to come to bed, and you tell them to basically fuck off.

He's still not up yet, and obviously I've barely slept. We were meant to spend today getting everything sorted for the holiday.
I'm tempted to not go. I don't feel safe emotionally and I know I'm going to be hyper sensitive over the next week or so, as I often am after an argument.

Just for transparency, we don't live together or have children together (although there are children involved from previous relationship - they were not in the house at the time so not subject to the shouting).

OP posts:
beetr00 · 20/04/2025 11:05

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 10:49

This is exactly it. Everything is an attack in his mind. Even if I was to apologise and take the blame for something I'd done wrong, he would somehow think I was attacking him. The defensiveness is on another level, and he always responds with anger.
I do sometimes wonder if he could be void of empathy all together.
How did you finally pluck up the strength to walk away? Did you ever regret your decision?

@Onetimesconesmine @Onetimesconesmine @Onetimesconesmine

Using labels, " anxious/avoidant" excuses rubbish behaviour.

Be honest with yourself, this guy is an rshole!

Walking on eggshells, within a relationship, is NEVER right.

There is no need to apologise nor take the blame.

You pluck up the strength to walk away by acknowledging, to yourself,
YOU DESERVE BETTER

Before him, you lived your life, as you wanted.

Please, try not to waste, anymore of your days with someone who cannot see just how fabulous YOU ARE

(apologies for the bolds and caps, it's just that these men, who tie up, some women in knots, do not deserve the goddamn head space)

Good luck @Onetimesconesmine

DuckEgg24 · 20/04/2025 11:07

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 10:54

You're all so lovely, thank you.
I honestly thought I'd get some stick for following him when he stormed off, and not just giving him the space he said he needed.
I start thinking I'm the problem for wanting to communicate.

When he finally gets up (what he's doing I have no idea), I will tell him I'm not going away. His reaction will tell me everything I need to know in regards to whether there is anything worth working on when he's back or not.

I don't think he'd ever expect me to not go. I am always the one who's there wanting to make things work, so I suspect it'll come as quite a shock.

He clearly and rudely stated he needs space, so calmly tell him you’re giving him the space he asked for. Go back to your own place and start looking up last minute deals. That’s what I’d do in your position. No pleading, arguing, bargaining. He’s paid for most of the holiday, so he can have all the space he wants. Space Cowboy by Kacey Musgraves should be on repeat as you pack for your solo trip.

DuckEgg24 · 20/04/2025 11:08

beetr00 · 20/04/2025 11:05

@Onetimesconesmine @Onetimesconesmine @Onetimesconesmine

Using labels, " anxious/avoidant" excuses rubbish behaviour.

Be honest with yourself, this guy is an rshole!

Walking on eggshells, within a relationship, is NEVER right.

There is no need to apologise nor take the blame.

You pluck up the strength to walk away by acknowledging, to yourself,
YOU DESERVE BETTER

Before him, you lived your life, as you wanted.

Please, try not to waste, anymore of your days with someone who cannot see just how fabulous YOU ARE

(apologies for the bolds and caps, it's just that these men, who tie up, some women in knots, do not deserve the goddamn head space)

Good luck @Onetimesconesmine

This!

Starling7 · 20/04/2025 11:09

I had a relationship with someone like this. It just gets worse. Get out now before he does you more damage. Enjoy your holiday alone. Single life is so much better. Trust me. X

Tameys · 20/04/2025 11:09

This is a controlling, manipulative and highly abusive relationship.

You need to get out of it asap.
You need to protect your children from this angry toxic abusive pig.

You desperately need to do the www.freedomprogramme.co.uk and to read up on the boiled frog analogy.

Why have you tolerated this for two years?
He is a walking red flag.

Walkerzoo · 20/04/2025 11:10

Get out now before you are living together or have kids

A holiday is never worth selling your soul for. Enjoy your week with people who deserve your time

ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/04/2025 11:11

I’d deff not go. You talk about him being an ‘avoidant’ like it’s some sort of ND thing, and it isn’t, he’s just an arsehole. He doesn’t give a crap about your personality type needing reassurance and good communication, so it’s pointless trying to pander to his personality type because he’s not interested in working with you anyway. He isn’t giving you what you need, he is the problem here OP.

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 20/04/2025 11:11

Your partner isn't avoidant, he's emotionally abusive.

Leave him.
Relationships are supposed to add to your life, to improve it, to make it better.
You say you're walking round on eggshells and anxious. I bet you'd feel more confident and happier single.

BlondeFool · 20/04/2025 11:11

Avoidant is bollocks. He’s an abusive bully. He sounds horrendous. If you don’t live together or have joint kids, it’s the perfect time to walk away.

Cucy · 20/04/2025 11:12

Honestly it sounds like you’re the one spoiling for an argument.

He’s asked that you give him space, yet you’re still following him and questioning him.
This would make me ill and I would absolutely shout at someone for not respecting my boundaries.

Leave him alone.

Why can’t you just draw a line in the sand and look forward to going on holiday.
Why does it have to be a big deal?

Honestly OP it’s great that you recognise that you have issues but you also need to recognise that you are probably the problem here and that this relationship just doesn’t work.

You say you have an anxious attachment style.
This would get a lot better if you weren’t with this man who is just not suitable for you.

You are making each other miserable and you’ll likely both end up getting ill.

Candles88 · 20/04/2025 11:13

Oh no, don’t go. I think with bad relationships there just comes a point when you suddenly realise you don’t want to do it anymore, and it sounds like you might be there. He sounds very stressful to be around.

Starling7 · 20/04/2025 11:13

I would say, rather than an avoidant / anxious dynamic, you have a narcissist / codependent relationship. Narcissists enjoy manipulating codependents - there is no solution, he's doing it for the power, for fun.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/04/2025 11:14

Cucy · 20/04/2025 11:12

Honestly it sounds like you’re the one spoiling for an argument.

He’s asked that you give him space, yet you’re still following him and questioning him.
This would make me ill and I would absolutely shout at someone for not respecting my boundaries.

Leave him alone.

Why can’t you just draw a line in the sand and look forward to going on holiday.
Why does it have to be a big deal?

Honestly OP it’s great that you recognise that you have issues but you also need to recognise that you are probably the problem here and that this relationship just doesn’t work.

You say you have an anxious attachment style.
This would get a lot better if you weren’t with this man who is just not suitable for you.

You are making each other miserable and you’ll likely both end up getting ill.

He never wants to talk about stuff though and that’s not fair either, why should everything be left with OP drawing a line under it after he’s stormed off in a sulk?

almostbloody50 · 20/04/2025 11:16

Op is he in your house or are you in his? Can you ask him to leave before the whole “not coming” chat can that be done on text.

I feel you are staying he’s angry and I worry this will escalate if you haven’t stood up to him before.

DuckEgg24 · 20/04/2025 11:17

BlondeFool · 20/04/2025 11:11

Avoidant is bollocks. He’s an abusive bully. He sounds horrendous. If you don’t live together or have joint kids, it’s the perfect time to walk away.

This is exactly the right time to walk away. He doesn’t get to swear at the OP and gaslight her into believing it’s her fault. Been there, done that. I go on solo holidays now.

Edit: spelling

beetr00 · 20/04/2025 11:17

@Cucy 😂😂😂

SHE is not the problem

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:18

Cucy · 20/04/2025 11:12

Honestly it sounds like you’re the one spoiling for an argument.

He’s asked that you give him space, yet you’re still following him and questioning him.
This would make me ill and I would absolutely shout at someone for not respecting my boundaries.

Leave him alone.

Why can’t you just draw a line in the sand and look forward to going on holiday.
Why does it have to be a big deal?

Honestly OP it’s great that you recognise that you have issues but you also need to recognise that you are probably the problem here and that this relationship just doesn’t work.

You say you have an anxious attachment style.
This would get a lot better if you weren’t with this man who is just not suitable for you.

You are making each other miserable and you’ll likely both end up getting ill.

But we have never been able to have a serious conversation in 2 years.
I have tried approaching conversations casually, seriously, jokingly, angrily, carefully.
No matter how I try to voice or express myself he shuts down and tells me he won't be talking about it because he's just finished work, or is tired, or has just had a nice day, or just had a hard day, is just about to have a shower, or go to sleep, or go out.
There has never been a single time I have tried to talk and he has been open to listening or resolving.

That in turn creates anxiety, which ironically makes me want to talk more , to resolve.
If he was open and warm my nervous system would be calm, and in turn I'd be less likely to bring things up. Because I'd feel safe.

OP posts:
Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:20

almostbloody50 · 20/04/2025 11:16

Op is he in your house or are you in his? Can you ask him to leave before the whole “not coming” chat can that be done on text.

I feel you are staying he’s angry and I worry this will escalate if you haven’t stood up to him before.

He's in mine, and I totally hear what you're saying. My concerns was if I go in waking him up (if he's asleep) after him saying I need to leave him alone and he needs space, could cause more of an escalation ?

OP posts:
ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/04/2025 11:22

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:20

He's in mine, and I totally hear what you're saying. My concerns was if I go in waking him up (if he's asleep) after him saying I need to leave him alone and he needs space, could cause more of an escalation ?

I wouldn’t wake him up, but once he’s up tell him to leave. Remind yourself that he’s got a serious bloody cheek telling you to leave him alone in YOUR house! If he really wanted to be alone he’d have left, instead he’s stayed to keep you on edge and make sure you run around after time. Stand up for yourself OP

DuckEgg24 · 20/04/2025 11:24

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:20

He's in mine, and I totally hear what you're saying. My concerns was if I go in waking him up (if he's asleep) after him saying I need to leave him alone and he needs space, could cause more of an escalation ?

You shouldn’t be scared of an escalation in your own home. Let him wake up in his sweet time though, get searching for a lovely place to go. You know his flight time so avoid that - he wouldn’t want you encroaching on his space in the airport.

Time is precious and you’ve tried all ways to appease this man for two years. Be done with him.

Cucy · 20/04/2025 11:25

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:18

But we have never been able to have a serious conversation in 2 years.
I have tried approaching conversations casually, seriously, jokingly, angrily, carefully.
No matter how I try to voice or express myself he shuts down and tells me he won't be talking about it because he's just finished work, or is tired, or has just had a nice day, or just had a hard day, is just about to have a shower, or go to sleep, or go out.
There has never been a single time I have tried to talk and he has been open to listening or resolving.

That in turn creates anxiety, which ironically makes me want to talk more , to resolve.
If he was open and warm my nervous system would be calm, and in turn I'd be less likely to bring things up. Because I'd feel safe.

So why after 2 years are you still with him?

If you need someone who is very open, then why are you with someone so closed off?

You literally couldn’t be with a less compatible person.

You will find your anxiety levels reduce almost instantly once this relationship is over.

LikeSeriously · 20/04/2025 11:25

DisplayPurposesOnly · 20/04/2025 10:37

Go on holiday. Tell him the relationship is over and he's not coming.

This!!

DuckEgg24 · 20/04/2025 11:25

ToKittyornottoKitty · 20/04/2025 11:22

I wouldn’t wake him up, but once he’s up tell him to leave. Remind yourself that he’s got a serious bloody cheek telling you to leave him alone in YOUR house! If he really wanted to be alone he’d have left, instead he’s stayed to keep you on edge and make sure you run around after time. Stand up for yourself OP

Exactly! He can do his sulking in his own home!

HeatedBlanketAllYear · 20/04/2025 11:26

@Onetimesconesmine I left a few times. And stupidly went back when he made promises to change. The final straw was when he was so cruel and nasty there was no coming back. He refused to apologise and didn’t care how his behaviour made me feel.
He probably thought I’d always go back because I had before.
As I was processing the split I did go through phases of remembering his good points but these pass. I don’t regret leaving. He’ll never change and I’m better off without the stress of this behaviour and the constant disrespect.

You can leave him and you’ll be ok. It just seems difficult before you do it. A few months down the line you’ll look back and wonder why it took you so long!

beetr00 · 20/04/2025 11:27

Onetimesconesmine · 20/04/2025 11:18

But we have never been able to have a serious conversation in 2 years.
I have tried approaching conversations casually, seriously, jokingly, angrily, carefully.
No matter how I try to voice or express myself he shuts down and tells me he won't be talking about it because he's just finished work, or is tired, or has just had a nice day, or just had a hard day, is just about to have a shower, or go to sleep, or go out.
There has never been a single time I have tried to talk and he has been open to listening or resolving.

That in turn creates anxiety, which ironically makes me want to talk more , to resolve.
If he was open and warm my nervous system would be calm, and in turn I'd be less likely to bring things up. Because I'd feel safe.

why would you pick "this particular post" to respond to @Onetimesconesmine

It's so unhelpful for your situation.

You seem frightened?

Courage is what's required here, unless "your prince" is the best you feel you can do.

Your life could be so much better, IF, you really want it to be