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Be kind, you bitch

27 replies

ILoveMyWeeds · 20/04/2025 09:44

There are quite a few threads which seem to attract what (I hope) are goady responses. The OP has a dilemma - a wedding guest, a neighbour, a friend, all of whom want something from the OP- and sooner or later, up pop the ‘be kind, you bitch’ brigade

Everything becomes a golden opportunity to give to others, set aside your own problems, needs and desires, and prioritise a random stranger over your own family and especially yourself. And if you don’t prioritise the needs of a child, particularly one you didn’t know existed until five minutes ago, then ‘I could never do that to a child and I don’t know how you can live with yourself’ Because while there is an iota of suffering and discomfort in the world it is the duty of every woman to alleviate it and if she doesn’t she’s an evil privileged cow.

Are posts written by men who hate women, women who hate themselves, people who hate everyone, masochists? Who is it that really thinks like that? Do you never put yourselves first, is there nothing you wouldn’t cancel or go without or risk ruining because someone else is in greater need of your time, money or attention?

Saying ‘no’ is fine. If your friend can’t come to your wedding without bringing a child, then no is a perfectly acceptable response, no matter how traumatised the child and how good for their rehab your wedding would be. If your neighbour knocks on your door and wakes your kids because they can’t get their phone to work, no is absolutely fine, and I’d add a ‘never knock on my door after 6pm again’ for good measure.

if you really would put anyone and everyone before yourselves, what virtue or quality is it that you think you’re exemplifying, and do you ever think of the effect this might have on your nearest and dearest who are often expected to share in your self sacrifice?

OP posts:
CreationNat1on · 20/04/2025 09:49

Virtue signaller v righteous self preservation.

Be kind bitches, none of us are walking in each other's shoes. Runs off to join the silent nunnery for some peace and quiet.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 20/04/2025 09:59

Yeah, I am quite tired of women being held to a higher standard than men when it comes to children, step children, in laws etc etc.

Perpetuating those standards is just internalised misogyny.

I'm not saying we should all strive to be the lowest common denominator, but women are allowed to have emotions, reservations and heaven forbid, occasionally prioritise themselves.

Having healthy boundaries and being firm in communication is seen as a moral failing in women, yet strong and admirable in men.

A forum for women is the last place we should be shaming each other and spouting that shit. We have enough to face in the world without shoving each other back into the small boxes our patriarchal society wants to keep us locked in.

Hearty disagreements are great, differences of opinion should be encouraged... But this isn't that. It's really toxic.

CruCru · 20/04/2025 10:13

God yes, there are loads of these sort of posts around.

ILoveMyWeeds · 20/04/2025 10:16

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 20/04/2025 09:59

Yeah, I am quite tired of women being held to a higher standard than men when it comes to children, step children, in laws etc etc.

Perpetuating those standards is just internalised misogyny.

I'm not saying we should all strive to be the lowest common denominator, but women are allowed to have emotions, reservations and heaven forbid, occasionally prioritise themselves.

Having healthy boundaries and being firm in communication is seen as a moral failing in women, yet strong and admirable in men.

A forum for women is the last place we should be shaming each other and spouting that shit. We have enough to face in the world without shoving each other back into the small boxes our patriarchal society wants to keep us locked in.

Hearty disagreements are great, differences of opinion should be encouraged... But this isn't that. It's really toxic.

I do worry that some OPs who are really struggling to do ‘the right thing’ are just got at for wanting something for themselves. I’ve see it in real life too often - women putting themselves out, sacrificing their best interests and sometimes those of their family, for someone who just needs to be told no.

OP posts:
UnstableZebra · 20/04/2025 10:18

I’m not from the UK and I was wondering if this is a cultural UK thing, because the level of being so passive is not something I’ve experienced anywhere else. So odd.

Catlady63 · 20/04/2025 10:31

I don't think most of these 'be kind' posters would actually do what they recommend in real life, they just like to virtue signal online.

Happyhettie · 20/04/2025 10:32

UnstableZebra · 20/04/2025 10:18

I’m not from the UK and I was wondering if this is a cultural UK thing, because the level of being so passive is not something I’ve experienced anywhere else. So odd.

That’s interesting - Ive noticed that. Got family all over the world but it doesn’t seem to be the same.

I think one of the issues is that you can be made to feel you shouldn’t want things for yourself - that’s selfish. You should be making sure everyone else is happy. And especially with men / male family members - we have to make sure the golden child / prodigal son is happy. Misogyny is rife!

LucyMonth · 20/04/2025 10:37

Well that was just a big wall of hyperbole wasn’t it?

No some people essentially saying “I’d let this one slide” aren’t putting anyone and everyone above themselves and their family at all times and they don’t hate women or themselves. How ridiculous.

Is it “self sacrifice that’s negatively impacting your nearest and dearest” or are people saying “I couldn’t get worked up about this, don’t sweat the small stuff and move on, it’s not that big of deal”?

I haven’t read the specific thread you are referring too, but you think “Never knock on my door after 6pm again” is a reasonable response to a neighbour popping round to ask for help with their phone? You don’t think that kind of needless animosity to someone you have to live beside could “negatively impacting your nearest and dearest”? When a much more measured response could insure the incident doesn’t happen again without causing unnecessary friction for everyone in both households?

Vitrolinsanity · 20/04/2025 10:40

I’d still be inclined to invite Louise to the wedding.

mummypigoink · 20/04/2025 10:42

Whereas if I was Julia, I wouldn’t consider taking Louise to the wedding.

SomethingFun · 20/04/2025 10:47

I hate the ones where the op gets nothing for her birthday/ Christmas/ Mother’s Day etc and 100s of posters go on about how they never get anything for any occasion and it’s selfish and childish to expect a birthday card and a box of Malteasers from your husband. Fun sponge fuckers.

AnneLovesGilbert · 20/04/2025 10:51

Too fucking right OP.

slashlover · 20/04/2025 10:52

I haven’t read the specific thread you are referring too, but you think “Never knock on my door after 6pm again” is a reasonable response to a neighbour popping round to ask for help with their phone? You don’t think that kind of needless animosity to someone you have to live beside could “negatively impacting your nearest and dearest”? When a much more measured response could insure the incident doesn’t happen again without causing unnecessary friction for everyone in both households?

Maybe you should read it? The neighbour has been escalating to knocking several times every day, sometimes at 10:30pm and the OP has several children, including a newborn.

Edit - Here it is filtered by the OPs posts https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5317405-neighbour-knocking-door-at-all-hours-asking-for-help?postsby=daisyrabir

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 20/04/2025 10:53

I'm noticing on here that a vulnerable and in need OP posts something. A multitude of posters will rip a new arsehole for OP in dogged pursuit of defending whatever or whomever the OP is struggling with or possibly complaining about.

No matter how reasoned or polite OPs description, multiple posters will come with the ' be kind' about whatever or whoever you're moaning about, often in the most non kind manner I've seen.

The be kind brigade then reveal themselves to be the biggest bitches on the thread. OP thinks she's losing her mind and wonders why she decided to post for support or advice.

HunnyPot · 20/04/2025 11:05

I never see threads telling people to ‘be kind’ on MN. I doubt men are heading over here to tell us to be kind 🤷‍♀️

PullTheBricksDown · 20/04/2025 11:07

Yes yes. Men never get told to be kind!

BunnyLake · 20/04/2025 11:09

Catlady63 · 20/04/2025 10:31

I don't think most of these 'be kind' posters would actually do what they recommend in real life, they just like to virtue signal online.

Just like they wouldn’t divorce their husband because of a silly argument but are very forceful in telling other posters to.

Dontcallmescarface · 20/04/2025 11:29

I agree and no board screams it louder than the Step-parents one.

Bookgrrrl · 20/04/2025 11:30

Catlady63 · 20/04/2025 10:31

I don't think most of these 'be kind' posters would actually do what they recommend in real life, they just like to virtue signal online.

Absolutely this! As they more often than not demonstrate by judging the OP and dismissing their concerns/emotions! What about being kind to the person right in front of them?!

FOJN · 20/04/2025 11:31

What harm would it do? Couldn't you just.....? are two phrases I see regularly on threads where the poster is clearly being taken advantage of and is looking for support to give her the confidence to say no. Instead she's asked to quantify the cost or inconvenience to herself before a no is deemed acceptable or she needs to find a way of offering some sort of solution to a problem of someone else's making.

I think sometimes the early posts on a thread set the tone and some subsequent posters are quite happy to get involved in bullying the OP or perhaps there is an element of projection. "I could never do ... " suggests the poster is thinking about how uncomfortable they would feel enforcing a boundary in the OP's situation.

I'm most irritated by posters who have no boundaries themselves and don't think anyone else should have any either which is why they frame their endlessly self sacrificing behaviour as a virtue.

LoveIndubitably · 20/04/2025 11:35

I think a significant proportion of them are worded just to provoke a response. Giving a rather extreme POV ("you clearly don't like them or you would move heaven and earth to be there") dressed up in a "kind-point-scoring" kind of way.

And, tbh, a significant proportion haven't read the full OP or their subsequent posts, so are lazily tossing off a response to a different, more black-and-white issue that they've projected.

Lurkingandlearning · 20/04/2025 11:45

I think we sometimes slide down the truth rabbit hole here. We lose sight of the fact that anything we read here could be a lie. The posters who are so quick to criticise may well do so dishonestly. How do we know that the super mum even has children of her own? Is the poster who sneers at the overweight and unhealthy eater actually an obese binger who barely leaves their sofa? And so on.

We can be whoever we want online. Some want to be obnoxious. Engaging with them just gives them the attention they crave.

SnoopysnoopDog · 20/04/2025 12:18

It is drilled into us to put other people before ourselves, even people we don't know. Hence the existence of AIBU - posts by women asking for permission to say No to CFs and pisstakers.

CaptainFuture · 20/04/2025 12:21

Vitrolinsanity · 20/04/2025 10:40

I’d still be inclined to invite Louise to the wedding.

Why its not your wedding! You have no say over the guest list!!

CaptainFuture · 20/04/2025 12:24

Also the 'be kind!!' You're such a bitch for not funding the life of your husband's ex of over a decade ago!! The expectation she should pay her own rent and bills is heartbreaking!! 😭😭😭

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