Rapists no longer able to identify as women as a result of Supreme Court ruling

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AIBU to think this is good news for us all?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-rapists-can-no-longer-claim-to-be-women/

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https://archive.is/geM7Z

The best thing about the decision.

I wonder if there will now be a reduction in trans identifying men? It seemed to me that for a large proportion of them the very raison d’etre was to trample on women’s rights and boundaries, and now that avenue is closed, there is no point.

As the judgment just corrects previous misinterpretation and misappropriation of existing law, sure all of this 'female rapist' bollocks has to be corrected now, retrospectively.

It's so wearisome and downright wrong that people with zero idea of anything, continue to conflate trans people with sex and rape of all things!!

Some baddies use trans stuff as an excuse to do bad things but genuinely trans people are no more interested in hurting people than anyone else in the general population are.

Please get your heads and minds out of the gutter and educate yourselves!!

So, @Gustavo77 how do you acount for incarcerated TW (men) having a higher offending rate for sex offences than incarcerated (non TW) men

I hope so.

It’s pretty tiresome that the same old argument comes out every time a male abuser claims to be female and the apologists clamber over each other to tell us that they’re ’not real trans’ and the tedious ‘educate yourself’ when there’s no other defence.

It’s on the bingo card along with hateful, bigot and far right

I’ve just remembered Nicola Sturgeon’s “rapist gender”. It seems so long ago now.

So teach us how to tell the difference between dangerous men and harmless men?

It's easy enough to tell the difference between genuine women and fake women.

Educate ourselves? You mean with facts like this;

For anyone who wants to know what should be considered for evaluating risk of this sub group of males to show that they have a risk level not less than any other male in the UK of committing sex crime, have a read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK
Firstly, This was a question answered earlier this year:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.
And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

Yes, funny how the MRAs insist that it's outrageous to assume someone's gender - only they can know the truth - but once a trans identified man has done something naughty suddenly the MRAs assume his gender - and that's OK.

It sounds like you're agreeing with the thread, then. That these rapists should be categorised as men, not women?

Why were they ever? The legal definition of rape involves a penis which women don’t have! Common sense has prevailed

Will they now go back over the numbers and statistics to amend? Do all departments of each institution know this? I know for news it will be obvious but just checking that resources will be properly allocated now if all box tickers know this.

Of the male born teans identified "transwomen" in prison around 60% have committed sexual offences compared to 20% of the general male prison population so I.would suggest that they are over represented for sexual offence and therefore a greater threat statistically - I would still always treat any trans person with respect and stand with them in the face of genuine discrimination - but I would still not consider them to have actually changed sex nor condone them to take up wrong sex spaces, Services or opportunities where sex matters it matters and it is not transphobic for that to be the case nor is that discrimination.

I suspect there might be. It's these men who were determined to find a way into women's spaces who have created this situation. Likely these who were the ones jumping up and down about being misgendered, and discriminated against because a man couldn't apply to run a rape crisis centre, for example. They've caused a whole lot of damage.

The Malaga Airport types might get back into their closets, but we've still got a generation of young people to disentangle.

I agree. In my mind, there are 3 main categories of trans identifying men: 1. Genuinely body dysmorphic (I would guess these are a minority), 2. Misogynists and autogenophiles (I group them together, but I suppose they could be sub-groups - but overall, those with nefarious intent), 3. Young people groomed by the ideology, including a large proportion with autistic traits.

I think it will take a long time to disentangle the damage done to group 3.

Genuinely body dysphoric, or struggling with the changes brought by puberty?

Surely a certain degree of body dysphoria is normal during puberty? Transgenderism has pathologised normal transitions.

Hmm interesting autocorrect. I'm not sure of the difference between dysphoria and dysmorphia, anyway, nor which is more accurate in this context.

I think dysphoria is the one that goes with gender (the opposite being euphoria).