Work toilets - what does the Supreme Court judgement mean for these?

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My works toilet policy is ‘everyone has the right to use whichever toilet they feel most comfortable in’ that’s unless of course you’re a woman who doesn’t feel comfortable with a man walking around the woman’s toilets but there you go.

AIBU to ask what does the Supreme Court judgement mean for this and other workplaces toilet policies?

Hopefully as they are split by men and women now users will be required to use the toilet aligning to their sex?

Saw this on another thread. From what I understand, if the toilet is fully enclosed with a sink and is lockable, it can be unisex. However, if there’s a row of toilets, with shared sinks etc, it has to be single sex.

How? Genuinely curious here, I'm not disputing it but I can't see it at all.

Messy periods, breastfeeding and all the stuff women have to do that men don't. ( these don't apply to me any more now but they did). DD has a unisex loo in her workplace and finds it difficult on heavy period days.

Self contained cubicles might be ok, but I have never seen them in London. Maybe lack of space.

I recently went to the Wallace Collection museum which has unisex loos. They were ghastly.

I don't know about the court ruling's impact on it. But I think the best solution is to have fully enclosed toilets with a sink inside each one, like a disabled toilet, so unisex, but maybe a bit smaller. Then nobody would really be sharing toilet areas.

I guess they should also have a set of urinals/sinks, then a bank of female toilet cubicles of the same number separately and a few of the enclosed universal ones?

The enclosed ones I think are good for either sex doing a poo. Obviously for privacy/noise/smell reasons.

Honestly, I would always rather have been in a more private, self-contained unit when dealing with those issues than a more open space with lots of others.

Sorry the loo was awful. Presumably not cleaned frequently enough.

As I read the SC judgement, transwomen ( ie men) will simply have to use the men's loos. And transmen ( ie women) will have to use the women's loos. Align to sex.
It's what they do in other countries and most people are happy with it.

I too prefer a self contained space for period days as I use a moon cup so want to wash hands before leaving a cubicle. I work out and about and many places have changed to self contained loos off a central corridor. Chain coffee shops like costa seem to be switching to a row with various door signs. I once failed to look properly and opened a cubicle that only had a urinal but just had a gents sign. The previous cubicles were unisex.

It just means you won’t have to be in a stall with only a partition and stall door between you and someone of the opposite sex.

You also will now be able to go to a women’s shelter that only accepts women and compete in single sex sports knowing your competition are the same sex as you. Woman of the year type prizes should go to women, and you can use the word “woman” and know who you are talking about. When you are in jail or hospital you should be housed with those of the same sex. Our daughters, mothers, and sisters, should be safer and allowed their privacy and I think we should all be very grateful for the women who calmly have righted a situation that should never have happened in the first place.

My place has 2 loo cubicles within the locker area. When I started, it was 1 for me, 1 for the men. I'm the only woman. The men use both regardless. 🤔There are 10 of them, 1 of me. We also get customers wanting to use them. I wanted that to stop. I've ultimately lost the argument. They let customers through. The day they leave skids/ piss on the seat/ floor/ shit on the walls again I will kick off. Trans would not have any issue as long as it's left clean. It's too small to add any more.

Exactly what @Ohthatsabitshitsaid!!!

it’s not a hate fest, it’s how it should always have been…common sense prevails at last!!

Religion, which is a protected characteristic, mean some women do not share bathrooms with men. And I don't want to either.

We have women's, men’s and unisex toilets in our office.
Women's have cubicles with communal sinks. Men’s are a similar set up. The unisex ones are more like the bathrooms you’d have at home with toilet, sink and some even have showers in for those who cycle etc to work.
We’re not the biggest office and don’t have anyone identifying as trans but we’re set up to cover all bases.

I work in a school. All the staff toilets are unisex with washbasins.

That’s shit! We have men, women and everyone as separate. Trans colleagues can use the toilets they id with but we only have one, who rarely comes in anyway. It’s the straight blokes I don’t like sharing with.

So does mine. BUT it also has a transgender policy that says trans people can use ‘whatever toilets they feel comfortable with’. This isn’t made clear to anyone unless they go looking. I challenged them on it and asked that if they say this at least tell all employees that is the case and was told no, they don’t think it is a good idea to tell everyone…

I also pointed out that as they haven’t put sanitary bins in the men’s, they aren’t actually making the men’s welcoming for any female (who identifies as a man) to use them. Funnily enough they weren’t bothered about that either.

i intend to revisit….

Our work toilets became unisex about a year ago. Absolutely no issues or problems so far.

The Wallace Collection loos are self-contained cubicles. I agree they're disgusting, though.

Completely agree. I think the use of gender and ‘gender neutral’ need to change to sex and unisex as the norm now. Language matters and unfortunately there are still many who use gender as a so called polite but mean the same word for sex. I call it out whenever I can.

i have no issue with them making them unisex but the majority of workplaces won’t do this (mind won’t). I’m pleased to see they will need to update the policy though.