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Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women' (part 2)

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AnSolas · 17/04/2025 08:31

First thread is here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5316015-supreme-court-rules-the-term-sex-refers-to-biological-women?page=1

Opened because I would like to give @FruityCider an way to answer my question:

Do explain how you would fight to the back tooth is you were the decision maker in the Scottish hospital and how you would/should deal with the situation where there is a "professional" doctor who is male who expected his "professional" workmates (both female and male) to bring him to a woman who had stated to a workmate that she only wanted a woman doctor (the female kind of doctor) to carry out any medical examination....

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AnSolas · Today 07:52

FruityCider · Today 03:04
As a bisexual woman, I've only ever been targetted by straight, 'natal' women in toilets and things. As a teenager, that meant flushing my clothes down the toilet, pushing me in to thornbushes and telling the teacher I was 'staring' at them. As recently as last week, it was a dirty look in a changing room until they saw my massive norks. (I have had to shave my head and I'm muscular and tall)
On the other hand, I am regularly surrounded by trans women, trans men, nb people. I have never felt judged, threatened, stared at, disrespected (yes, including when I turned down advances!) by a single one of them. Ever. Not as a bisexual feminine looking woman, not as a very, very butch looking woman. I honestly could be mistaken for a 'man' on first look right now. And let me tell you - the first person to question me is going to get a short shrift from me or one of my mates.
This court judgement doesn't define gender, it defines sex. I will fight to the back tooth for people to be allowed to call themselves whatever they like, and pee where they like, and for professional people to dictate where people go in sensitive spaces such as hospitals, with compassion and on a case by case basis. The right to ones own identity is paramount.
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Do explain how you would fight to the back tooth is you were the decision maker in the Scottish hospital and how you would/should deal with the situation where there is a "professional" doctor who is male who expected his "professional" workmates (both female and male) to bring him to a woman who had stated to a workmate that she only wanted a woman doctor (the female kind of doctor) to carry out any medical examination....

And the original AIBU by @everythingthelighttouches

Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'
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everythingthelighttouches · Yesterday 10:10
Finally.
There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.
The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”
As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women' | Mumsnet

Finally. There is no “triumph” for me. i am delighted though. I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard. The judge also...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5316015-supreme-court-rules-the-term-sex-refers-to-biological-women?page=1

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FruityCider · 17/04/2025 08:40

I'm not going to reply any more. It's just going to be a pile on. I already said there are instances where it may be case by case, to be dealt with by professionals, with dignity. New username and I made the mistake of not muting this thread straight away.

All I'll say I hope that if any trans or other gender diverse individual is reading that there will always be people by your side. I'll march with you. Looks like I may need people by my side soon as an accidental NB/GNC person! I will absolutely refuse to prove anything to anyone.

All this forum has ever done had made me dig my heels in. Used to have some sympathy for some GC viewpoints.

BallerinaRadio · 17/04/2025 08:42

Floodgates have opened now haven't they this place will become unbearable

AnSolas · 17/04/2025 09:18

FruityCider · 17/04/2025 08:40

I'm not going to reply any more. It's just going to be a pile on. I already said there are instances where it may be case by case, to be dealt with by professionals, with dignity. New username and I made the mistake of not muting this thread straight away.

All I'll say I hope that if any trans or other gender diverse individual is reading that there will always be people by your side. I'll march with you. Looks like I may need people by my side soon as an accidental NB/GNC person! I will absolutely refuse to prove anything to anyone.

All this forum has ever done had made me dig my heels in. Used to have some sympathy for some GC viewpoints.

So your fight ends when you are asked how you would attempt to balance actual rights in a real life case?

The hospitals are staffed by professionals who need to have a policy of how to manage the case-by-case incident before it becomes a problem.

In this case that hospital has a group of employees who need to be given actual real life direction by their employer to carry out their professional duty.

Your classing the question as being a GC viewpoint rather than an issue that is complex and involves society as a whole is typical of the posters who are not able to engage.

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Hoydenish · 17/04/2025 09:26

I would like someone, anyone, to explain to me how one is trans, what you do to become trans, how it happens. I genuinely do not understand and it would be so helpful.

Thank you.

SwordOfOmens · 17/04/2025 09:28

Get the T off LGB

Repeal the GRA.

There is no "trans", only men in dresses and Tom Boys.

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