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To ask why some Mumsnetters find the use of American English suspicious?

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MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 13/04/2025 09:36

Some while back I wrote a thread under another username, and was accused by a few members to have written a fake story because I used words that are much more commonly used in the US. For the record, I learned English as a second language and my secondary school teacher was from the US, I also spent my teens watching American shows and films. 15+ years in the UK and I still use flashlight, trashcan, gas, fall, intersection and a number of other words that got stuck in my head.
I have it happen since a few times to other people- today someone decided a thread posted by a user was done by chat GTP because it sounded 'American'.
Why are people so baffled by the fact that there may be American users on the site, or people educated in the US/international American schools, or just people who have learned English with the help of American media rather than BBC?

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 16:58

Montea · 17/04/2025 16:38

Youre a speck on this earth that one day won’t exist in your current form. One day your “lights” will go out and you will never see your family and friends again. Almost everything you have done or said of a similar nature will not have any bearing or impact on the inevitable. Consider what really matters - arguing with me, is a drop in the ocean

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Says the poster that’s decided that arguing on mumsnet clearly is what matters, given her cosmic speck, destined to return to the void from which she came, self is doing just that.

It’s mumsnet.com, which does suggest an intent to reach a global audience. So do the boards specifically for posters of other nationalities. Hell, despite being called mumsnet, it also has a board specifically for those without children.

So do brush out your mustache and calm your tits, Nietzsche.

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:03

InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 16:58

Says the poster that’s decided that arguing on mumsnet clearly is what matters, given her cosmic speck, destined to return to the void from which she came, self is doing just that.

It’s mumsnet.com, which does suggest an intent to reach a global audience. So do the boards specifically for posters of other nationalities. Hell, despite being called mumsnet, it also has a board specifically for those without children.

So do brush out your mustache and calm your tits, Nietzsche.

I’m not arguing, I’m just not taking it to heart and see you for what you are and what you’re doing and it’s a drop in the ocean

InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 17:11

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:03

I’m not arguing, I’m just not taking it to heart and see you for what you are and what you’re doing and it’s a drop in the ocean

This has all the philosophical depth of a teenager tearfully embracing nihilism because she’s sad that Zayn left One Direction.

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:18

InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 17:11

This has all the philosophical depth of a teenager tearfully embracing nihilism because she’s sad that Zayn left One Direction.

I am a teenager. I’m 19. And you’re sassy and want to one up me for some reason. You just want to win. But what’s the prize. Win feeling good about yourself? Oh

InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 17:27

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:18

I am a teenager. I’m 19. And you’re sassy and want to one up me for some reason. You just want to win. But what’s the prize. Win feeling good about yourself? Oh

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Ah, of course.

That this was apparently a competition (with prizes!) escaped my notice. No, my purpose was to address firstly, your original position that doesn’t reflect what mumsnet purports or intends to be, and secondly, the weird pseudo-intellectual tangent you decided to go off on. For some reason.

HamptonPlace · 17/04/2025 17:42

Thoughtsonstuff · 13/04/2025 09:57

If I see a post using the word gotten or store or Mom (although I have now learned from mumsnet that it is used regionally which I didn't realise. Every day is a school day) I would assume the writer was either American or had been taught American English or had picked up Americanisims from tv or something. But that's as far as my thought process would take me. No judgement or suspicion or snobbery (as a PP has suggested). Just noticing something slightly unusual in the UK, this being a mainly UK site.

I bet if there was a US site people might pick up on the word Mum or spellings like colour but there's no problem with that, surely?

Irish. I use both got and gotten. Whichever reads better. "Your son's got tall' sounds american, I would use gotten. "I got the newspaper this morning". I don't think americans would use use gotten in that sentence. Anyway, horses for courses!

HamptonPlace · 17/04/2025 17:48

ViciousCurrentBun · 13/04/2025 10:23

There are vast cultural differences between all the major English speaking countries.

When my Mother visited the States for the first time in the 1970’s I remember her utter horror at American table manners and how forks shovelled through food were held in the right hand only. Beasts of the field was quoted if I remember correctly.

You wouldn’t like my MIL she speaks as if she has fallen out of an Austen novel, I rather love it. I think it’s great there are vast differences in languages. I quite like the feeling of my teeth grating when Americans say aluminium and I’m sure they feel the same about my pronunciation.

One of my American exchange students was delighted when I let him change a module, he told me it was totally awesome! whilst I love youthful enthusiasm I was surprised at how such a simple administrative change could induce awe.

They only have 'awesome' in practice, don't tend to say fantastic/super/magic/wonderful/super/amazing/incredible/extraordinary/tremendous etc...

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:54

@InterIgnis
”Says the poster that’s decided that arguing on mumsnet clearly is what matters”
There are two definitions to “argue”. I was referring to the second definition (attached). The arguments I put forward were a plausible explanation for the question put forward in the original post.
In MonaLisaDoesntSmile‘s first response to my comment, she sadly inferred that I was declaring that only British women can use the website. She also brought politics into this, and the overall tone was unpleasant, and badly covered up with the faux laughter.
it was frustrating to have my posts twisted around to meet her interpretations, rather than going in with an open mind and clarifying it with me first, but to give the benefit of the doubt it was probably all unintentional on her part.
But even after clarifying this to her, in her second response to me, for some reason she was still determined that I was trying to dictate who could use the website and was condescending towards me.
you are no better in your intentions and in your tone, and it is unproductive and only serves the purpose to make you feel as though you have won an argument that you have sadly imagined.
And to put some deeper thought into that, what is the point other than you feeling as though you have “won”?
It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things if I didn’t engage with you, but at the same time, it does matter to me to point out that the way you behave as a presumably, Grown adult woman, is disappointing and it’s sad that you would want to spend your time that way.

To ask why some Mumsnetters find the use of American English suspicious?
InterIgnis · 17/04/2025 18:44

Montea · 17/04/2025 17:54

@InterIgnis
”Says the poster that’s decided that arguing on mumsnet clearly is what matters”
There are two definitions to “argue”. I was referring to the second definition (attached). The arguments I put forward were a plausible explanation for the question put forward in the original post.
In MonaLisaDoesntSmile‘s first response to my comment, she sadly inferred that I was declaring that only British women can use the website. She also brought politics into this, and the overall tone was unpleasant, and badly covered up with the faux laughter.
it was frustrating to have my posts twisted around to meet her interpretations, rather than going in with an open mind and clarifying it with me first, but to give the benefit of the doubt it was probably all unintentional on her part.
But even after clarifying this to her, in her second response to me, for some reason she was still determined that I was trying to dictate who could use the website and was condescending towards me.
you are no better in your intentions and in your tone, and it is unproductive and only serves the purpose to make you feel as though you have won an argument that you have sadly imagined.
And to put some deeper thought into that, what is the point other than you feeling as though you have “won”?
It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things if I didn’t engage with you, but at the same time, it does matter to me to point out that the way you behave as a presumably, Grown adult woman, is disappointing and it’s sad that you would want to spend your time that way.

Dude, you jumped the shark after the first response. If you misinterpreted it was easy enough for you to clarify what you actually meant in response, rather than leap straight into bizarre cod-philosophical ramblings.

What’s the point? Because I feel like it, as I lay here across the couch this early afternoon, browsing mumsnet and Reddit. You seem insistent on presenting this ‘conversation’ as a win v lose where a prize is at stake, and maybe that is how you consider it, or want to believe that I consider it, but it isn’t that deep.

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Serpentstooth · 17/04/2025 22:17

I seem to have inadvertently strayed into a schoolyard. Shouldn't you all be in bed?

NattyTurtle59 · 17/04/2025 22:47

insomniaclife · 15/04/2025 08:36

Some people don’t realise America is not the be-all and fucking end-all. Mostly American people. An assumption of “American as norm” is endemic in social media and I love the fact that MN is British. Americans should make their own MN equivalent.

Some people don't realise Britain is not the be-all and fucking end-all either, mostly British people.

I would find MN extremely boring if the only posts on it were from Brits. Of course you no doubt would like me to leave MN because I don't live in the UK, and am not from there.

mathanxiety · 17/04/2025 22:53

HamptonPlace · 17/04/2025 17:48

They only have 'awesome' in practice, don't tend to say fantastic/super/magic/wonderful/super/amazing/incredible/extraordinary/tremendous etc...

Really?

You've lived in the US and had dealings with millions of people? Is this how you are so sure of your opinion?

mathanxiety · 17/04/2025 22:59

HorribleHisTories15 · 17/04/2025 16:29

@mathanxietythere is no need for the hostility. International schools in Germany and France state quite often that they teach US English as it is easier for children and students to learn in terms of pronunciation and vocabulary. The UK form of English is not always phonetically adherent, as such it can pose difficulties to those learning it as a second language, especially for adults where the learning of languages is different (see TEFL training, and speech and language therapy literature). As such, US styled English can be an easier attainable level of English for enunciation.

But that's not the same at all as "basic", is it?

And I'm curious about the alleged dearth of vocabulary in American English too.

Montea · 17/04/2025 23:24

Serpentstooth · 17/04/2025 22:17

I seem to have inadvertently strayed into a schoolyard. Shouldn't you all be in bed?

I thought it was a bit like a school argument myself and not from my end

Montea · 17/04/2025 23:26

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I never said that no one else can use it, but it was intended for British women, is a website based in British, is founded by a British woman and has “mumsnet” in the name. It is a website used predominantly by British women, and unless you clarify you’re not British, it’s fair to assume that a poster is probably British, and it is normal to think something is off about a post described in the OP.
Did no one teach you manners? It’s rude to accuse me of trying to dictate who can use a website based on where they come from.
I will excuse you because this is probably just how you want to behave now, isn’t a reflection of your real character and not how you are in general

mathanxiety · 18/04/2025 00:59

It was intended for British women, it’s a predominantly British website, the clue is in the name “mumsnet.” Expect people to assume that you are British.

My mother is 'Mum", and she is Irish. Lots of northern families call their mothers 'Mom'.

Are you a mum? A dad? There are dads here, and people who are neither mum nor dad.

It was intended to be "By Parents, For Parents" - look up the logo. There is no mention whatsoever of 'British women'.

Yet here we are, on a site by parents, for parents, talking about American English. The online world is nothing if not quirky and full of surprises, eh?

Thoughtsonstuff · 18/04/2025 07:46

NattyTurtle59 · 17/04/2025 22:47

Some people don't realise Britain is not the be-all and fucking end-all either, mostly British people.

I would find MN extremely boring if the only posts on it were from Brits. Of course you no doubt would like me to leave MN because I don't live in the UK, and am not from there.

I get where you are coming from in that Mumsnet is based in the UK but not exclusive to the UK. But there's nothing wrong with focusing on Britain if you are British? It is the "be all and fucking end all" to many British people. Just like the US of A is the "be all and fucking end all " to many Americans and we are.never allowed to forget it (Big Orange, I'm talking to you).

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You interpreted me to be saying that only British women can use the website and got your back up about it.
you imagined an argument and are fighting nothing.

Montea · 18/04/2025 15:00

Must feel horrible for you to be a bully

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You’re a bully

Montea · 18/04/2025 22:42

And just because I said “for” British women, wasn’t me saying that only British women can use it.
The things you have been saying about me and the level you will go to in order to bully me is disgusting, but other people can see that

RitaIncognita · 19/04/2025 00:19

HorribleHisTories15 · 17/04/2025 16:29

@mathanxietythere is no need for the hostility. International schools in Germany and France state quite often that they teach US English as it is easier for children and students to learn in terms of pronunciation and vocabulary. The UK form of English is not always phonetically adherent, as such it can pose difficulties to those learning it as a second language, especially for adults where the learning of languages is different (see TEFL training, and speech and language therapy literature). As such, US styled English can be an easier attainable level of English for enunciation.

I think that's a compliment to American English. I am sure that it's much easier for learners to replicate rhotic sounds that coincide with how the word is spelled and also to avoid pronunciations with an intrusive r.

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