Baby born after womb transplant

[Wildflowers99]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

Around 100 womb transplants have happened world wide. Only half of those have resulted in a live birth. What do you think happened to the other 50 foetuses? Some miscarried at early stage, some because they born prematurely and others were stillborn.

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Mix with the transplant community before making the outrageous, unbelievable statements you've made.

Apparently transplanted wombs can be good for up to two pregnancies, but if s second is desired it needs to happen ASAP after the first.

There is a lot of anti men hatred on here so whats your point?

No it's just the womb

And that happens with pregnancies and birth!

Examining issues that predominantly affect women is not anti-men. Stating facts about the sex that donate more organs but receive less is not anti-men. Looking at how medical advancements might affect women as a sex-class is not anti-men.

I mean after transplantation obviously

All Pregnancies have a 50% fail rate?

Are you seriously suggestion that half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage or stillbirth? Because a very quick Google search suggest that you are wrong.

The minute I heard the news article I thought exactly that.

The NHS has enough problems as it is.

In the UK -

• Live Births: Around 75% of pregnancies result in a live birth.
• Stillbirths: Stillbirths occur in around 1.7% of pregnancies.
• Miscarriages: Early miscarriages are estimated to occur in 10-20% of pregnancies.
• Late Miscarriages: Second trimester loss (late miscarriage) happens to 3-4% of pregnancies.
• Ectopic Pregnancies: Around 1.25% of pregnancies are ectopic.
• Termination: Around 25.8% of pregnancies result in termination.

So only.around 15-25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, stillbirth etc.

No of course not. I take it you are against abortion also if you have an issue with fetuses not surviving ?

These are the sort of responses I was referring to

So babies only matter to you when they become your possession and you can see them? How traumatic do you think it must have been for the women desperate enough to have experimental surgery only for the much longed for child to die, either as a miscarriage or a still birth or death because they are premature.

What are you talking about? I'm sure women going through this operation will be aware of all the likely outcomes, risks etc.

If Abortion was experimenting on babies (which it isn't) then I would be.

If the women taking part in this surgery we're so resilient and stoic they wouldn't be having it in the first place. These women are desperate. Which makes it unethical in the first place. And if they're not desperate then that's kind of worse because why take the risk as well as womb from a live donor (those who did) and a healthy foetus!

No your point was about the fact that some fetuses dont survive.

And stop saying babies!

They are taking advantage of new advancements in this field. This has been going on for generations- people taking advantage of medical advancements

And then you referred to abortion, so what is your point?
If I am against experimenting on babies because there is a 50% failure rate then I must be anti abortion?
Just doesn't track

They are nor wrong though. There is a already research on going. Some transwomen are demanding and taking spaces which should be exclusively the preserve of biological females. Sports, rape crisis groups, changing rooms, shall I go on?

We have limited resources, there are more worthy causes.

Why do you assume I don’t mix with the transplant community? What ‘outrageous, unbelievable statement’ have I made? That wombs are removed after pregnancy as they are not needed and the anti rejection drugs have serious side effects so if not needed, don’t take them? That women who are on anti rejection drugs because of life saving transplants are carefully monitored because of the risk to the fetus? That babies born to these mothers have a higher risk of not being born 100% healthy?

so transplanting a womb just to carry a baby to term knowing the risk any transplant has on both mother as well as baby, not knowing the long term health consequences for the baby just to be able to be pregnant yourself? That is putting yourself first, not your child. Saying from experience of family members who had kidney and liver transplants due to a genetic condition and seeing what happens when there are complications