Baby born after womb transplant

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

So men can ‘grow their own baby’ at will?

I know on paper they can do this already with a surrogate, but I think that’s harder to do as few women sign up to be surrogates and they can choose their ‘birth family’. I think few women would do it for an odd single bloke, but this way they could.

I feel increasingly uneasy at the commercialism of female body parts, newborns, and everyone’s ‘right’ to have a baby at any cost.

Plus as PP said, this female relative was the 3rd in line. She didn’t volunteer herself instantly, they tried the mother and other sister first… leaving her. It all feels quite pressured and exploitative.

I am not saying they should be denied on the basis.

I am saying that I think that some researchers have a destination in mind that is going further than providing a woman with a working uterus.

This seems to be another step forward for the trans lobby. Men are claiming they are women, have periods, have period pain, can breastfeed and now this - all a fetish.
But all of this is at the expense of women. At the expense of the bond between Mother and child. At the expense of families.
I honestly believe they'd keep women like cattle if they could and no governments are stepping up to protect women and children. We are just 'birthing bodies' now 😰

Some men can claim all they want but it doesn't mean it's true.

To be fair, I don't see how it's different from using a sperm donor. Currently women only need sperm to have a child, men can't do the equivalent.

I think it’s wonderful, I saw the story on BBC news and the joy that this has brought to the parents and the sister who donated was obvious.

One thing I hate about mumsnet is the coldness towards infertile women and the downright rejection of medical advancements that could allow them to have a family. Feminism to me means women helping each other.

By donating an organ?!

Thank you for donating to women. How many have you helped?

Absolutely. It’s a wonderful thing.

If it was my sister, and donating my womb when I no longer needed it meant she could have a family, then yes. I’m not suggesting any woman goes through this who doesn’t want to. But for those that do this is something to celebrate.

I don’t think anyone would want my womb after three surgical miscarriages, a c-section and adenomyosis. But I am considering donating my unused embryos from IVF.

I'm sure a kidney would be fine to donate.

I would like to think I would do it without a second thought for a sister or daughter (all hypothetical as I have no female relatives in need of it).
As for those who think trans women will be having womb transplants all over the place because trans is a fetish have not met many trans people.
Bound to be a few as everyone is different and there will be some unscrupulous surgeons in some countries who will happily carry it out.

Wouldn’t help an infertile woman, would it?

If a loved one needed it I would.

As I said above, I’m suggesting anyone donates who doesn’t want to. Whether it’s for a stranger or your sister. But to have the option is a good thing. I know the Mumsnet line is no one has a right to a child,
but the reality for many women is having a child is incredibly important. One woman helping another with that should be celebrated.

I think this a positive step forward for infertile women

at times our bodies do not work in the way they should and if this can be fixed how can that be anything but positive

this is absolutely not the same as wanting our body to be the sex we are not biologically but there is now doubt that some males shall be insistent that they too should have a womb transplant and some doctors shall be happy to experiment on them

Nope it wouldn't that wasn't implied.

There are many who need them. I think the option to say no is the main thing. I never would donate and I am childfree. I am also a feminist. I know you think that I am not as I will not donate my body parts to a woman.

Also I would be wanting to know what the woman who receives the uterus would do to help the woman who donated or is help only a one way street? Given the donor would need help - what help would and should be offered in return?

So it’s irrelevant. Why mention it?

You’re being a bit ridiculous now. Absolutely no one is suggesting you donate your womb.
My point was that a woman helping another in this way should be viewed through a feminist lens.

As for help to the donor, I imagine it would be similar to whatever the current situation is for living donors on the NHS.

Why does it have to be transactional anyway? What do millions of blood donors get in exchange?

The person I was replying to said that you are a feminist if you give up body parts and donate them yet had not donated herself. That is how it relates.

In other words entirely irrelevant.

But this is the point is that women would be pressured into it as this woman clearly was. Pressure to donate is a major issue and one that cannot be ignored. Saying no and no meaning no not try harder to convince someone should be celebrated as a positive. Consent is everything and should be free from coercion and the likes of people saying it makes someone a better woman/feminist if she donates. This story shows that consent and the pressure that happens is all too real and given she was offered surrogacy and said no that carrying the baby was more important to her than that. Despite the risks to her sister and the baby she felt her feelings were more important than the both of these.

Surely the help for financial support, care etc would come from the recipient surely? As they would be helping another woman who helped them surely which is feminism, right? Nothing in the article mentions what she did for her sister to help her financially or physically.