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OLD expectations

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datinghelp · 07/04/2025 15:01

When I initially started OLD i would agree to dinner dates or drinks or even something fun like bowling mini golf etc. Very quickly I realised that it wasn’t for me. With this I was basically agreeing to spend significant time with someone I had never met and not once did it end in a second date. It just felt awkward and strange.
I then changed to quick coffee dates, with the thoughts that if we didnt vibe I still got a coffee, spent a quick 30 mins in someone’s company and that was it. With the idea of prolonging it if we both wanted to. So far this has worked well. No expectations etc had a couple that’s extended beyond the coffee and onto further dates. Still single though. I also think the quick coffee isn’t good for an initial meet. Then a proper date can be arranged or continued on the same day if we both agree.

fast forward to now and I’ve been chatting to someone online. He invited me out for dinner and drinks. I refused and explained my reasons but suggested my trusted coffee date. He says that a quick coffee isn’t going to show if we’re compatible and doesn’t understand about in person vibes being different to our chats on the phone. He did eventually agree to the coffee with the understanding we could do something else if we both were feeling it. I’ll be honest I did think he wasn’t for me at this stage but the chats had been good and we got on so I thought give it a go.

We got into a heated debate the following day which led to him saying he thought it was wrong I'm chatting / dating others and still on the app. He asked and I was honest that I was chatting to others and would be open to other coffee dates. I explained that dating is getting to know different people and seeing who you have a better connection with. That until I was in a relationship or had at least a few dates with someone and knew it was going somewhere I would still be on the apps and chatting to others. He is of the opinion that once we’ve agreed to the date then we should both stop chatting to others until we either agree to give it a go or not.
I explained coffee isn’t really date 1 and more of just a meet up. Date one is the extension of this or the next time we meet where it would be something a bit longer than 30 mins and where we could really start to connect. I think the way I see it is coffee is the equivalent of swapping numbers in the pub after meeting. Then the real date happens afterwards when you know the attraction is there in person and you’re both interested in the real thing and not the online version.

I’ve since told him I’m not sure about us meeting for coffee after all or if I even want to continue to chat with him. There are a couple things that have made me think this, the not understanding that vibing in person is a real thing and then the telling me I shouldn’t still be using the apps etc.

My question is, is a coffee date initially a bad thing (with the option of extending if it goes well) ? What are others thoughts on dating. If your online is it ok to still be on the apps chatting to others and potentially having dates with others? Or once you’ve started chatting for a few days consistently should I be ignoring others? Or when I agree to a date should I stop talking to others?

I always insist on paying my own coffee and then will offer to split the bill going forward. If I’m not feeling it I will insist but if he offers to pay and I’m happy for another date then I’ll get the next one.

help a girl out I’ve never experienced this before, in the past everyone has been fine with the initial coffee date. I’ve also never had to explain myself about chatting and dating others, it’s never came up and when it did we had been on a few dates and the chat about us being exclusive was happening. By then I hadn’t spoke to others and was happy to pause my profile. Again I would delete when I knew 100% we were going somewhere.

I want to point out I have no issue with a man doing the same, it’s after we have agreed we’re not talking to others that I would want it paused or deleted.

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BuddhaAtSea · 07/04/2025 15:02

He’s a twat. Toss him back.

MsNevermore · 07/04/2025 15:07

Yeah….get this one in the bin.

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/04/2025 15:10

Everyone is different so you do what you want.

I hate coffee dates and long, prolonged activity dates. Evening drinks are my goldilocks zone. I don't really chat to people on the apps or much between dates on WhatsApp or whatever. Would totally be arranging dates with more than one guy. I wouldn't stop until we were in an exclusive relationship after a couple of months.

datinghelp · 07/04/2025 15:17

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/04/2025 15:10

Everyone is different so you do what you want.

I hate coffee dates and long, prolonged activity dates. Evening drinks are my goldilocks zone. I don't really chat to people on the apps or much between dates on WhatsApp or whatever. Would totally be arranging dates with more than one guy. I wouldn't stop until we were in an exclusive relationship after a couple of months.

I like the idea of some drinks at night but again there is the expectation of it lasting more than 20 mins or for me it would have to. I’m not keen on glamming myself up, paying for taxis (no other option from where I live if it involves alcohol) etc for it to last one or 2 drinks.

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Mysticguru · 07/04/2025 15:19

Bin!!

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/04/2025 15:24

datinghelp · 07/04/2025 15:17

I like the idea of some drinks at night but again there is the expectation of it lasting more than 20 mins or for me it would have to. I’m not keen on glamming myself up, paying for taxis (no other option from where I live if it involves alcohol) etc for it to last one or 2 drinks.

That's why I like it. Ideally it would last all night but also I'm able to ditch it after 2 drinks and be back home in pj's for 9pm if I'm not feeling it.

FairCat · 07/04/2025 15:33

The point of a coffee date is if your companion turns out to be a nutter you can exit with only a little time and money wasted. This person has saved you the trouble by demonstrating strong nutter energy even before the date. Be happy to have dodged a bullet and move on.

RelishingGrpSupport · 07/04/2025 15:38

Move on and away. 30 mins seems a good idea. One coffee or a small wine if that's you

ItGhoul · 07/04/2025 15:43

You haven't done anything wrong and this man is a twat who wants everything his own way all the time before you've even bloody met. He needs binning.

Meadowfinch · 07/04/2025 15:48

I definitely agree that the first meeting is for a drink, meaning you can call a halt after an hour rather than have to endure four hours of awkwardness.

Your man is a bit dictatorial, isn't he. Why would he start telling you what you should be doing, rather than just arrange somewhere lovely to meet, and use his charm to persuade you to move on to a proper date.

I'd bin him off now, but I don't like pushy men.

FidosMum84 · 07/04/2025 16:51

He’s a twat. Run.
Trying to control you before you meet or are exclusive is a massive red flag.
Do whatever works for you. I’ve always preferred a quick meet up to make sure they’re who they say they are and not a nightmare. If this goes well and you arrange another meet I personally wouldn’t arrange to see anyone else but that’s just my preference. But I’ve never been good with dating multiple people and others are ok with it so it’s fine.

TheSassyAmberNewt · 07/04/2025 16:57

Agree with everyone else, don’t meet him! Your instincts and way of doing things are fine.

Worth reflecting on why this man hooked you in and why you’re doubting yourself though. Even if he was right (and he’s not!), you’re allowed to live your life your way and not have any old stranger telling you you’re doing it wrong.

datinghelp · 07/04/2025 17:00

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/04/2025 15:24

That's why I like it. Ideally it would last all night but also I'm able to ditch it after 2 drinks and be back home in pj's for 9pm if I'm not feeling it.

I just hate the thought of spending £15 on taxis I’m in Scotland so it’s zero tolerance. So even one drink and I would be over the limit so would have to be taxis for me. That’s just to my local town if we met further afield then it would be more for either public transport or taxis.

This is why I tend to stick to coffees. I can take the car and get to and from the place easily. I wouldn’t mind for a proper first date starter the initial meet though as I know it will likely be more than one drink and be worth my time

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Soone · 07/04/2025 17:01

I would do a walk and coffee. Coffee does feel a bit short, but it’s whatever works for you. Certainly I wouldn’t even bother seeing someone who got into a debate over whether the suggested activity was worth their time.

personally whilst I would go for a walk and coffee with a number of people, once we had a proper “date” I would only see one person at a time and expect the same.

datinghelp · 07/04/2025 17:04

TheSassyAmberNewt · 07/04/2025 16:57

Agree with everyone else, don’t meet him! Your instincts and way of doing things are fine.

Worth reflecting on why this man hooked you in and why you’re doubting yourself though. Even if he was right (and he’s not!), you’re allowed to live your life your way and not have any old stranger telling you you’re doing it wrong.

I wouldn’t say he hooked me in. I’m more of a meet quickly than message for weeks or months kinda girl. Again with experience I’ve learned that just because you get on well on the phone or messages doesn’t mean that it will be the same in person. So I like to get the initial first date or meet up done quickly so I can then move on either way with them or without.

I just wondered if I was the odd one as I have been asked for more intense dates like dinner etc a fair few times but this guy just insisted I was wrong and I questioned it

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TomatoSandwiches · 07/04/2025 17:11

He insisted you were wrong but you aren't it's completely a preference and your explanation is more than reasonable.

I would stop engaging with someone so disagreeable before you've even met, he will find a way to punish you even if things seem to go well.

You've been honest and open and explained but he still isn't happy And is aggressively trying to change who you inherently are.

No thanks.

Paness · 07/04/2025 17:16

FairCat · 07/04/2025 15:33

The point of a coffee date is if your companion turns out to be a nutter you can exit with only a little time and money wasted. This person has saved you the trouble by demonstrating strong nutter energy even before the date. Be happy to have dodged a bullet and move on.

Agreed.

SauvignonBlonk · 07/04/2025 17:19

I agree with you OP. Coffee date is perfect for a first meeting.
Ditch this nutcase, he’s already showing his controlling red flags.

TheSassyAmberNewt · 07/04/2025 17:23

I mean he’s hooked you in in that you’ve gone round a loop of questioning yourself, feeling anxious that you’re wrong, then asking here for reassurance. If you were secure in who you are and what’s right for you, he wouldn’t have taken up any headspace and you would have instantly rejected him and moved on. It’s worth bringing awareness to that because next time you can be wiser and more secure in yourself.

SantasLargerHelper · 07/04/2025 17:26

Yeah, I agree with you although I'm near a city so meet them in town for a drink. You know within the first 20 minutes whether or not you fancy them. Then you can bail or carry on drinking depending on how you feel.

He seems hard work already OP. Next.......

JenniferBooth · 07/04/2025 17:38

Man gets the hump when a woman wants to do the same thing that they have been doing for millenia

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2025 17:50

If I was OLD I think a coffee date, or possibly a lunch date at a 'quick eats' place (a step up from fast food) would be what I'd do.

The only reason I wouldn't do drinks is because I wouldn't want a first date to involve alcohol. I'd want to get to know someone when they were 'sober' before I experienced them with a few drinks in them.

Although I guess if you met for drinks you'd get to know if they're a twat when they drink or if they can't control their 'intake'.

@datinghelp As far as this man, someone who wants to get 'exclusive' before you've even met is waving more red flags than a Communist parade.

datinghelp · 07/04/2025 22:13

Thanks all I’ve cut him off. Just said he wasn’t for me

I’m happy to sticking with my instincts and coffee dates. As I said I wouldn’t mind the odd drink but it’s too much faff for one drink.

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